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Magic good and bad - letter #155 helps a bit

noWizardme
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Jun 23 2013, 5:39pm


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Magic good and bad - letter #155 helps a bit [In reply to] Can't Post
In letter #155 (beginning by the Prof charmingly saying "I am afraid I have been far too casual about 'magic' …") , he says magic
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Neither is, in this tale, good or bad (per se), but only by motive or purpose of use.
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

Subject User Time
Silmarillion Discussion, Chapter 19: Of Beren and Luthien: Love, etc. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 2:08pm
    Love: dare we question it? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 2:50pm
        Not a Disney movie: Beren is pretty much Lúthien's sidekick noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 8:47pm
            That's the surprise in this story CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 9:06pm
                Add to that the "meet the parents" scene… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 9:48pm
        There seems almost no motivation for their love noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 9:56am
            Fate, and the single chapter CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 12:52pm
                The "Celtic" chapter??? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 2:07pm
                    There are parallels with the Tale of Culhwch and Olwen elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 3:59pm
                    Another interesting parallel elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 4:03pm
                        Excellent find CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 4:33pm
                        Thanks... And noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 4:40pm
                            You mean with one having been relegated to the lowest division? elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 5:48pm
                    And another.... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 4:27pm
                        Reading all these influences CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 4:38pm
                This chapter for a Standalone film, perhaps? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 10:40am
                    Tis dangerous to awaken the slumbering Oath of Hollywood, Wiz CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 12:54am
                        It's OK, I've escaped from being held prisoner by the Lovecraftian demon, Inreplytu noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 27 2013, 9:35am
                            Adventures in Manseling CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 12:05pm
                                Not "a Mansel in Distress" but "A Mansel in Dis Bathrobe"? // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 27 2013, 12:49pm
                                curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 4:35am
                            *mods up* dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 28 2013, 3:14am
        The personal connection & That tombstone noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 2:33pm
            Oh, my mind and details--what's the use CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 3:30pm
        About Love Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 7:28pm
            Falling in love, the Beleriand way... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 7:52pm
                A nice thought! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 8:41pm
                    Yes, viva the rare oddballs!! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 24 2013, 8:58pm
                Elves and their partners CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 12:55am
            Love and war CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 12:00am
                Making me blush CG... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:21am
                    hero vs. heroine Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 1:04pm
                        Yes, but didn't you say Morgoth was a hero too? :) CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 1:33pm
                            slander-monger Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 1:42pm
                            oh, and... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 1:45pm
                                And likewise, I hope I didn't seem too defensive CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 2:00pm
                                    curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 2:03pm
                                    Will you be having the cockatrice egg omelette? // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 2:33pm
                                        brethil! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 2:35pm
                                        brethil! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 3:33pm
                                            Alas! I have moved on! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:33pm
                        female suffixes to neutral nouns Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 1:36pm
                        Who has been using the "heroine" word? Ctrl+F: Oh...it's me... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 1:55pm
                            by all the stars of elbereth... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 1:59pm
                        Blame the Victorians noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 3:46pm
                            Yes, vapid damsels in distress are definitely a Victorian concept! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 4:19pm
                        My problem with "heroine"... Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 25 2013, 7:50pm
                            And doctors' problem too! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 9:17pm
                                Lol it's so bad Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 26 2013, 12:21am
                            How right you are my friend! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:31pm
                                brethil! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 9:33pm
                                    Thank you Telpemairo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:34pm
                                Thanks, Brethil. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 26 2013, 12:28am
                    Yes, she's no Xena the Warrior Princess CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 1:54pm
                        Warrior princesses, oh my. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 4:25pm
                            That is a hoot! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 5:26pm
                            There's a reason it's called "fantasy". Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 25 2013, 6:55pm
                                (***hahaha!!***) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:56pm
        dialogue between Beren and Luthien noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 5:08pm
            I think the movie gave a nice image of Luthien reborn in Arwen in that episode. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 5:21pm
                On the other hand noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 5:43pm
        Dialogue Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 25 2013, 8:03pm
            Most definitely beautiful--thanks for adding it CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 8:44pm
                I wish we did too Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 26 2013, 12:16am
            That's really nice Ardamire elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 9:22pm
                I wish that too Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 26 2013, 12:25am
        Answers sador Send a private message to sador Jun 26 2013, 12:28pm
            Fate and choice CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 26 2013, 1:13pm
                Fate and free will noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 4:48pm
                    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 26 2013, 5:06pm
                        He did not predestine before He foreknew… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 5:21pm
                            Frodo Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 27 2013, 2:40pm
                                An odd thing happens to both Frodo and Beren… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 2 2013, 9:08pm
                                    Great connection, Wiz CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 9:43pm
                                        Hmmm - not sure I see Beren as in the shade here Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 2 2013, 10:02pm
                                    Another odd thing happened to both Frodo and Turin... squire Send a private message to squire Jul 2 2013, 11:37pm
                                    Impel versus compel Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 3 2013, 2:40pm
                                        it must be my lucky day Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 3:03pm
                    Works rather nicely Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 5:35pm
                        You'd rather I was in an alternate timeline? :( noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 5:45pm
                            No, I like you in our timeline...! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 6:01pm
                        That explanation also explains… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 5:49pm
                    Splendid treatise, Wiz CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 1:11am
                In addition to the classic Christian debate between predestination and freewill, there is also the concept of wyrd to consider Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 26 2013, 5:16pm
                    Beren's wyrd (do I have this right?) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 27 2013, 12:49pm
                        I think it's very relevant... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 28 2013, 2:58pm
                            Absolutely ....... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 28 2013, 3:15pm
                            Thanks FFH - I did think it was likely I was missing some of it!// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 28 2013, 3:25pm
    Lust CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 3:06pm
        In order of ungraciousness... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 7:50pm
            Great post noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 9:05pm
                Very true Furincurunir! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 9:12pm
                    More lust: Sauron and Carcharoth CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 11:16pm
        In short sador Send a private message to sador Jun 26 2013, 1:45pm
    Man swoons :) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 3:24pm
    When you kiss a fairy princess... CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 4:17pm
        Magic good and bad - letter #155 helps a bit noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 5:39pm
            Thanks for finding that! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 5:58pm
            A bit more #155: the prof digs himself further into a hole noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 8:30pm
                Nice use of that Letter ! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 8:01pm
                    More on the morals of magic - Mason and Magus noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 1:28pm
            JRRT and Hamlet... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 8:45am
        "winning mastery of Tol Sirion from Sauron " noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 9:01pm
            Luthien with the original Nazgul threat--yes, I think that every time! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 9:18pm
        Gorlim's ghost and Beren's dream noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 9:13pm
            Ulmo or not CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 9:29pm
        The fairy tale chapter Lothwen Send a private message to Lothwen Jun 24 2013, 11:38am
            Same impressions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 12:43pm
                Stopping in quickly... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 24 2013, 1:08pm
        Have a magical day (wait, did I just call Disney?) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 8:38am
        Magic-schmagic, I says sador Send a private message to sador Jun 27 2013, 11:42am
    Random question "Release from Bondage"? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 9:04pm
        Release from Bondage CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 9:12pm
            Returning to Release from Bondage theme Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 8:07am
                There may be no official answer, but I do like Brethil's // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 8:14am
                    Thanks Furincurunir!!!!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 8:41am
                    I do too. Huan fetched her the wrapper. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 11:59am
                        He's a good dog...// Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 1:55pm
                50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 12:49pm
        Tolkien never explained the title, so it's up to you the reader squire Send a private message to squire Jun 23 2013, 9:56pm
            Oh, I was thinking of Somerset Maugham CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 23 2013, 11:28pm
                Release from bondage - speculation noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 9:50am
                    Cool idea CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 12:56pm
    (More random questions) - why recover only one silmaril? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 1:30pm
        That would account for their missing husband/wife banter. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 24 2013, 1:48pm
            Aw, now I'm beginning to see them as Beren and Clyde :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 24 2013, 2:08pm
    Another random question - B&L's life post-resurrection noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 3:10pm
        maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 3:21pm
            I agree... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 4:11pm
                Unnatural CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 4:31pm
                    and remember they've got the silmaril noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 4:47pm
                        Had forgotten that one! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 4:59pm
                        My mistake for glossing over that CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 5:14pm
                            if only Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 5:21pm
                                Well, they owed it to Thingol. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 5:27pm
                                    still haven't Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 6:09pm
                                        *sigh* CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 7:00pm
                                            empathy is a gift Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 8:32pm
                                                To Morgoth, with love: birthday presents CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 9:07pm
                                                    impressive... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 9:09pm
                                                    LOL- Love no. 3 CG! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 9:29pm
                                                        "Creature of cocoa and flame" --love it! // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 10:19pm
                                        Thingol says "bring to me..." noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 9:17pm
                                            so, thingol's dare Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 9:30pm
                                                Tsk tsk, stop being coy CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 9:38pm
                                            Thingol's scheme CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 9:36pm
                                                i don't think the silmarils have agency Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 9:45pm
                                                    Beren's fault CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 10:38pm
                                                        How much of that "he"... Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 26 2013, 12:13am
                                                            I was joking about the "he" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 26 2013, 2:18am
                                                                Ah, good points. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jun 26 2013, 2:25am
                                                                i always Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 2:35am
                                                                    All great points Telpemairo // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 3:11am
                                            + determined to fill page 5 with my posts!+ elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 9:38pm
                                                Interesting idea Elaen... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:58pm
                                                Great connection of Oath to Ring. I understood you quite well. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 10:18pm
                                That might have been a good idea elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 25 2013, 5:59pm
                                Justice versus healing Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 9:50pm
                                    interesting, but Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 10:01pm
                                        Perhaps healing for Luthien Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 10:07pm
                                            Yes, I think the Oath and Kinslaying already dispossessed them CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 10:17pm
                                                Excellent point Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 2:14am
                                                yes Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 2:32am
                                                    No-one to call a Council of Elrond. And so it turns to tragedy. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 10:23am
                                                        Outstanding ideas here Furincurinir! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 5:20pm
                                                            Bravo, Brethil - noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 5:44pm
                                                                SoF .... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 5:58pm
                                                            Awesome synthesis, Breth CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 1:40am
                                                        Outstanding observations, Wiz CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 1:33am
                                                            "I served with Gandalf, I knew Gandalf. Gandalf was a friend of mine. You, Melian, are no Gandalf" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 27 2013, 10:20am
                                                            If F-troop knew that Luthien was mortal... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 27 2013, 9:05pm
                                                                Leaning toward fear now CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 9:44pm
                                                                    Fear of Luthien Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 2:25am
                                                                        muffins! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 3:03am
                                                                            (****LMDAO****) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 3:17am
                                                                                i +thought+ Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 3:22am
                                                                                    Completely! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 3:28am
                                                                                        yes! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 3:47am
                                                                                Control yourself woman!!! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 28 2013, 6:21am
                                                                            ROFL!! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 28 2013, 6:17am
                                                                                this line was beautifully spoken Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 1:18pm
                                                                                    Hiya Maciliel elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 28 2013, 1:34pm
                                                                                        great forge of aule! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 1:39pm
                                                                                            it would be helpful if I... telain Send a private message to telain Jul 1 2013, 5:00pm
                                                                                                quite Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 5:10pm
                                                                                                    Mmm. Talking to herself...like our CG? // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 1 2013, 5:45pm
                                                                                                        yes Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 5:54pm
                                                                                                            Do I sense a taunt in the air? Must I retaliate, even after giving fair warning of my prowess? /// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 1 2013, 9:34pm
                                                                                                                "prowess"..? Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 9:42pm
                                                                                                                Do I sense a taunt in the air? Must I retaliate, even after giving fair warning of my prowess? /// Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 9:45pm
                                                                                                                    "Of" your prowess? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 1 2013, 9:59pm
                                                                                                                        maybe... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 10:03pm
                                                                                                                        My gf ADORES the nickname of Prowess CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 1 2013, 10:25pm
                                                                                                                            Mmm, "prowess" is easy to remember CG... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 1 2013, 10:34pm
                                                                                                                                so correct Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 10:43pm
                                                                                                                                    It's still sounds more elegant than "the ol' ball & chain" // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 12:41pm
                                                                                                                            so.... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 10:45pm
                                                                                                                                And maybe take our elevenses money too. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 1 2013, 10:57pm
                                                                                                                                Oh, and hijacking my avatar CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 12:44pm
                                                                                                                                    pfffffffftttttttt!!!!!!!! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 2 2013, 12:50pm
                                                                                                                                        DSM4 lists avatar left CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 1:13pm
                                                                                                                                            boy Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 2 2013, 1:20pm
                                                                                                                                                Another symptom CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 1:33pm
                                                                                                                                                    i am Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 2 2013, 1:36pm
                                                                                                                                                        Then we're on equal terms CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 3:39pm
                                                                                                                                                            your admirable philosophy Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 2 2013, 4:11pm
                                                                                                                            does rachel Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 1 2013, 11:57pm
                                                                                    I am going to send my hospital bill to TORN CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 9:29pm
                                                                                        More Denny's specials Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 9:43pm
                                                                                        Does that make the Nazgul the Muffin-wraiths then? elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 28 2013, 9:46pm
                                                                                            Oh, yes, much reduced! Low-fat Muffin-Wraiths, in fact. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 9:49pm
                                                One Silmaril please Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 2:54am
                                                    No Silmarils needed, but thanks for the offer CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 26 2013, 3:57am
                                                        elves and potential Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 10:26am
                                                            Much agreement CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 26 2013, 12:27pm
                                                    the author trumps all.... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 10:13am
                                                        why the rest of Noldor are thought to rebel in the first place? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 11:04am
                                                        Valar transgression leading to redemption Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 2:30pm
                                        Fate CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 10:22pm
                                    Long day? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 25 2013, 10:14pm
                                        (brushing seaweed) Thanks for the sweet welcome CG! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 25 2013, 10:37pm
                                        brethil Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 10:42pm
                            It seems that the Sons of Féanor are obliged to act on the oath only when it suits them. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 25 2013, 5:39pm
                                They're not really obliged at all Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jun 26 2013, 5:00am
                                    I think that's a plausible reading, and there are also others noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 26 2013, 10:28am
                                    being obliged Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 6:23pm
                                        will also add... re fate Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 6:36pm
                                        and might I add? telain Send a private message to telain Jun 26 2013, 7:44pm
                                            always a pleasure to hear your thoughts, telain Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 8:20pm
                                                Oath power and subjectivity Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 8:33pm
                                                    No, you said "the middle one," lol CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 12:42am
                                                ah! yes... and Thingol should have let sleeping Oaths lie telain Send a private message to telain Jun 28 2013, 12:24pm
                                                    The Silmarillion vs LOTR CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 9:48pm
                                                        elven warts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 9:51pm
                                                            You're still scheming to get your very own Silmaril CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 10:01pm
                                                                oh Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 10:06pm
                                                                    There is only one Nauglimuffin...// Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 10:12pm
                                                                    Dragon muffin CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 10:18pm
                                                                        You are. I still don't have a Thorin muffin. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 10:25pm
                                                                            That's cos he knows you'll just dunk it in chocolate!! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 28 2013, 10:31pm
                                                                            Prepare to be disappointed CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 10:49pm
                                                                                A plethora of fun imagery! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 11:23pm
                                                                                    I just googled "boring guy, dull looks." That's what came up. I can never figure out what women find attractive in men. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 29 2013, 1:03am
                                                                                        Boring guy, dull looks Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 29 2013, 1:15am
                                                                                            Very funny! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 29 2013, 3:29am
                                                                                                That's great! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 29 2013, 4:40am
                                                        Moving briefly away from Muffins... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 9:57pm
                                                            Immortals and maturity CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 10:14pm
                                                                Had to think on this a bit Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 29 2013, 12:54am
                                                        Warts versus Muffins? // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 10:00pm
                                        But the Oath was not a fate, it was Fëanor being blasphemous and giving an empty oath Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jun 27 2013, 12:27pm
                                            Good point CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 12:52pm
                                                Maedhros certainly believed in it Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jun 27 2013, 3:04pm
                                            Fantastic summation Faenoriel Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 27 2013, 3:58pm
                                                An oath kept afloat by belief alone… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 27 2013, 4:52pm
                                                    I do think they believed it was binding Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 27 2013, 5:24pm
                                                        Oaths as perceived by others CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 6:02pm
                                                            Words of Command Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 27 2013, 8:32pm
                                                                Interesting thing about that CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 8:44pm
                                        Issues with Fate CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 3:34pm
            After the afterlife Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 26 2013, 6:24pm
        aside from people descendants Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 25 2013, 3:25pm
    Beren's singing Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jun 26 2013, 9:16am
    The hybrid race Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jun 26 2013, 9:32am
        are you asserting Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 26 2013, 10:16am
        I agree with that. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 12:49am
    One last random question - why doesn't Luthien go wolf-hunting? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 27 2013, 10:37am
        True, she had zapped that wolf before CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 27 2013, 11:39am
        Because she only stepped outside her feminine role out of absolute necessity Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Jun 28 2013, 1:20pm
    Ladies' poll CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 9:59pm
        beren's appearance Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 10:05pm
            Who do we call if casting this chapter for a film, do you all think? // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 29 2013, 11:39am
                A thallus, I think a casting call subthread would do better on Main… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 29 2013, 1:25pm
        Can we consider Viggo a 6' muffin? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 10:10pm
            tengwadil Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 10:15pm
                Actually I just plunked that answer out... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 10:23pm
                    not at all! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 28 2013, 10:47pm
                Maybe it's the contradictions that I stumble over in trying to picture him CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 10:26pm
                    Sorry, I drifted into visuals! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 10:27pm
                        No, I was asking for visuals! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 28 2013, 10:53pm
                            Ahhh! I see... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 28 2013, 11:27pm
                                Yes, by contrast I can picture Hurin and Turin detail. Maybe their personalities are more distinct.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 29 2013, 1:05am
                                    Do you think Beren is overshadowed by how much we know of Luthien? // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 29 2013, 1:16am
                                        Yes CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 29 2013, 3:26am
                                            All true CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 29 2013, 4:01pm
    Late to the party... My favorite love story, Elwen Send a private message to Elwen Jul 1 2013, 4:00pm
        Gender reaction to this story CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 5:04pm
            Humans and Elves perceiving Fate Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 2 2013, 5:59pm
                really great point, tengwadil Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 2 2013, 6:30pm
                Great insights CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 6:31pm
        I agree with this very much Elwen Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 2 2013, 5:34pm
            Great quote CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 5:43pm
                funny Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 2 2013, 6:22pm
                    Well, to me their love is unattainable in the real world CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 2 2013, 6:47pm
                    I agree with you about the superlatives elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jul 2 2013, 10:05pm
                    Typical language in a Mary Sue story. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 3 2013, 5:42pm
                        Adore your footer Darkstone! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 6:00pm
            What, you mean Tolkien was a *bloke*? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 3 2013, 1:52pm
                my own take... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 2:09pm
                    She even changed herself into Mallorn Leaves. She's another Luthien, I think! // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 2:29pm
                    Shack fax was a *mare*????? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 3 2013, 5:12pm
                        no Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 5:17pm
                            Or that "Ring of Power, one careful owner, one of only 3 ever made, just out of warranty.."// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 3 2013, 5:26pm
                                I've also got a bridge to sell you in a place called Khazad-dum. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 5:50pm
                                    Sorry, staying out of real estate since the debacle of buying up the Numenorean shoreline… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 3 2013, 6:10pm
                                        I would encourage you to consider and Online Kitchen though Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 6:25pm
                                            Me vs Kitchens CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 6:33pm
                                                Sorry about your kitchen travails Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 4 2013, 3:33pm
                                                    brilliant! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 4 2013, 3:38pm
                                                        Yes, it is Fate. The time of the Online Kitchen has come. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 4 2013, 3:39pm
                                                            That's what I need CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 7 2013, 2:09am
                                                                'Acheuelan Minimalist' style. Perfectly valid choice. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 7 2013, 2:27am
                                                                    Google is watching us CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 7 2013, 5:43pm
                                                                        Funny! My typos strike again Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 7 2013, 7:13pm
                                                                            Me caveman. Me grunt. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 7 2013, 10:32pm
                                                                                Very endearing. Reminds me of why I like Dwarves. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 8 2013, 8:00pm
                Mac is a roach? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 2:28pm
                    just want to say... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 2:56pm
                        Kind words always appreciated! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:00pm
                            just wait... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:13pm
                                I'll wait because CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:18pm
                                    your Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:22pm
                                        Well, at least I could count on her to fetch dinner every night. Could be worse. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:29pm
                                            always looking on the bright side -- Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:31pm
                                    You may expect a large wriggling package later today Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 4:25pm
                                        Lady Gaga?!? *runs to Gates of Angband, begs to be let in to claim asylum* // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:31pm
                        The Hero as a confession Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 4:14pm
                            Well, if it weren't for the salt mines CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:30pm
                                maybe Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:32pm
                                    Should you be writing that with me around?!? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 4:39pm
                                        great aule with his hammer Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:44pm
                                            Thank you for your understanding dear friend! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 4:48pm
                                **ROFLLB (LB = Like Bofur)** Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 4:38pm
                            I wrote a reply to this in the gender thread. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 5:06pm
                                I have been to the Box, and seen the Hobgoblins. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 6:01pm
                    oh and.... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 3:03pm
                        Something tells me CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:03pm
                            2nd guess: machitabel the cat?// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jul 3 2013, 5:16pm
                    blasphemous thought Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:21pm
                        I wonder the exact same thing. We are fellow travelers in blasphemy. *gives blasphemous wink*// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 4:28pm
                            so grand! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jul 3 2013, 4:53pm
                                'Mariner's wife' dating Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 3 2013, 5:05pm
                                    Or maybe CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 3 2013, 5:09pm
                Well, CG holds that "he" was a conglomerate, not a person at all. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jul 4 2013, 3:31pm

 
 
 

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