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"No plan survives contact with the enemy."

Darkstone
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Jun 19 2013, 9:58pm


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"No plan survives contact with the enemy." [In reply to] Can't Post
As a Battalion Signal Officer Tolkien would have been in a great position to see how a battle plan went to pieces when the fighting started: Requests for reinforcements from engaged units, appeals for directions from lost units, ominous loss of contact with advanced units, and orders to keep attacking from the rear echelon.
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(This post was edited by Darkstone on Jun 19 2013, 10:02pm)

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Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Chapter 18: Of The Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 9:08am
    Tolkien's personal and literary experiences of war, and their influence on this chapter noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 9:15am
        Heroic myths Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 16 2013, 1:21pm
            Written for the ear! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 5:37pm
                Hear, hear CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 16 2013, 8:37pm
                I agree... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 16 2013, 8:45pm
        large scale Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 16 2013, 5:51pm
            Soldiers and wooden blocks noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 6:01pm
                The two faces of war CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 16 2013, 8:51pm
                    "Modern generals never fight now" squire Send a private message to squire Jun 17 2013, 2:47am
                        "He uses others as his weapons" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 17 2013, 11:47am
                            England has such picky, arcane rules for kingship CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 17 2013, 12:13pm
                            Another reason for "safe" generals CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 17 2013, 12:18pm
                            The tragedy of Denethor FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 18 2013, 1:31pm
                                I think some of this depends on the particular situation. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 18 2013, 1:40pm
                                Generalship by walking around noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 18 2013, 2:00pm
                                    the suicides of fingolfin and denethor Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 2:26pm
                                        Denethor fan! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 18 2013, 3:06pm
                                            so the grima thing... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 5:09pm
                                                Yes, I do give it away in my Facebook entries CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 18 2013, 5:18pm
                                            a little denethor trivia Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 6:13pm
                                                LOL and LOL some more // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 18 2013, 7:14pm
                                                    is it... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 7:16pm
                                                        No, he's much redeemed in my eyes. Especially because of the coupons. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 18 2013, 7:21pm
                                                            lol! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 7:22pm
                                                            btw Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 8:03pm
                                                Question on the senior menu... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 19 2013, 12:24am
                                                    you know what's dangerous? Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 19 2013, 12:52am
                                        regarding "poof" Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 3:52pm
                                            I don't believe anyone could believe you're intolerant. :) // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 18 2013, 5:02pm
                                                hope not : ) Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 5:27pm
                                                    Uruk High? That's the school for orcs…? // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 18 2013, 8:40pm
                                                        indeed Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 11:50pm
                                                            I'm also avoiding imagining Uruk High's cheerleaders... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 19 2013, 7:32am
                                                        I thought it was a drug reference CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 19 2013, 12:14am
                                                second that!// telain Send a private message to telain Jun 19 2013, 10:05pm
                                                    ah, Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 19 2013, 10:11pm
                                                        BLT? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 19 2013, 11:25pm
                                                            sounds delish! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 19 2013, 11:43pm
                                                                Troll fare CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 20 2013, 12:44pm
                                                                    i think i see the problem... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 20 2013, 3:17pm
                                                            Hungry after a long day CG? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 20 2013, 12:17am
                                                        yummy! telain Send a private message to telain Jun 20 2013, 5:54pm
                                        Interesting compare/contrast! A further one - how about Fingolfin c.f. Frodo? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 18 2013, 4:48pm
                                            fingolfin and frodo Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 11:24pm
                                                Fingolfin & Frodo - great contrast - so much depends on motivation noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 19 2013, 9:26am
                                                    Very interesting tie-in to Tuchman's book! // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 19 2013, 12:08pm
                                        Maybe more like Theoden? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 18 2013, 4:49pm
                                            love theoden! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 19 2013, 3:50pm
                                                Now you've got me thinking... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 20 2013, 7:07pm
                                                    heya : ) Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 20 2013, 7:16pm
                                                        Yes, as our Silmarillion discussion progresses CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 20 2013, 7:43pm
                                                            nobody Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 20 2013, 7:46pm
                                                                Manwe and choices Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 20 2013, 8:47pm
                                                                    Manwe's choice CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 20 2013, 10:01pm
                                                                        Oh no - don't tell me Manwe has read my footer...// Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 20 2013, 10:14pm
                                    Good point about the mourning and despair. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jun 18 2013, 2:32pm
                        Yes, it's amazing how aggressive the US "Department of Defense" can be. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 17 2013, 12:38pm
            "No plan survives contact with the enemy." Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 19 2013, 9:58pm
                ha! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 19 2013, 10:05pm
        Thanks for the summary NoWiz elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 16 2013, 8:19pm
    Fingolfin's single combat noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 9:16am
        Finglofin Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 16 2013, 1:08pm
        acting upon the rage of sorrow Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 16 2013, 6:02pm
            Exceptionally well put here Telpemairo! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 17 2013, 12:25am
                thank-eee Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 17 2013, 2:31am
        Pathos and Turgon CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 17 2013, 12:46pm
            Excellent and touching point CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 17 2013, 6:15pm
        more thoughts on Fingolfin telain Send a private message to telain Jun 18 2013, 12:40am
        Better late than never Lothwen Send a private message to Lothwen Jun 21 2013, 9:01am
            Facing Sauron as an improvement cf facing Morgoth noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 21 2013, 9:39am
    Call not to the gods.... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 9:19am
        no real realization yet Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 16 2013, 6:13pm
        Huh, don't get me started on the Valar! elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 16 2013, 8:34pm
            The Valar don't know fear... telain Send a private message to telain Jun 18 2013, 2:03pm
                perhaps that's part of the problem Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 18 2013, 11:13pm
        East calling West CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 16 2013, 9:00pm
            Calling for help Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 16 2013, 9:10pm
                That must be it, Brethil CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 16 2013, 10:06pm
            If it comes to that... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 16 2013, 10:08pm
        More on calling for help Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 17 2013, 5:02pm
            what if... telain Send a private message to telain Jun 18 2013, 1:45pm
                Makes it more heroic if so - and a bit on Thorondor Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 18 2013, 2:32pm
                    The Valar aren't coming! The Eagles aren't coming! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 18 2013, 3:28pm
                        well put telain Send a private message to telain Jun 18 2013, 4:22pm
                        Indomitable spirit noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 18 2013, 5:27pm
    Eagles and matters of fate and doom noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 9:20am
        More on eagles Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 18 2013, 2:44pm
    Under-energetic allies? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 16 2013, 10:08am
        Hey, the Orcs aren't in MY living room, why should I care? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 16 2013, 8:20pm
    oh and... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 17 2013, 2:29am
    All of the postings to this thread - AWESOME ltnjmy Send a private message to ltnjmy Jun 19 2013, 9:04pm
        Thanks Itnjmy! // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 19 2013, 9:21pm
        yes, but... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 19 2013, 10:03pm
        Good to see you Itnjmy! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 19 2013, 11:56pm
        Thanks for the compliments, Itnjmy. We always appreciate your feedback and are glad you enjoy the discussion. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 20 2013, 5:37pm
    Some selected points from the 2009 read-through noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 23 2013, 10:15am

 
 
 

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