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Darkstone
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Jun 19 2013, 9:58pm
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"No plan survives contact with the enemy."
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As a Battalion Signal Officer Tolkien would have been in a great position to see how a battle plan went to pieces when the fighting started: Requests for reinforcements from engaged units, appeals for directions from lost units, ominous loss of contact with advanced units, and orders to keep attacking from the rear echelon.
****************************************** Pippin: "When you guys fall in the forest, does it make a sound?" Bregalad: "Are you kidding? Scott fell last week and he hasn't shut up about it since!"
(This post was edited by Darkstone on Jun 19 2013, 10:02pm)
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Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Chapter 18: Of The Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:08am
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Tolkien's personal and literary experiences of war, and their influence on this chapter
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:15am
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Heroic myths
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Brethil
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Jun 16 2013, 1:21pm
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Written for the ear!
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 5:37pm
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Hear, hear
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 8:37pm
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I agree...
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 8:45pm
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large scale
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Maciliel
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Jun 16 2013, 5:51pm
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Soldiers and wooden blocks
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 6:01pm
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The two faces of war
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 8:51pm
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"Modern generals never fight now"
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squire
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Jun 17 2013, 2:47am
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"He uses others as his weapons"
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noWizardme
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Jun 17 2013, 11:47am
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England has such picky, arcane rules for kingship
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:13pm
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Another reason for "safe" generals
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:18pm
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The tragedy of Denethor
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FarFromHome
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Jun 18 2013, 1:31pm
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I think some of this depends on the particular situation.
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Escapist
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Jun 18 2013, 1:40pm
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Generalship by walking around
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 2:00pm
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the suicides of fingolfin and denethor
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 2:26pm
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Denethor fan!
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 3:06pm
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so the grima thing...
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 5:09pm
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Yes, I do give it away in my Facebook entries
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 5:18pm
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a little denethor trivia
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 6:13pm
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LOL and LOL some more //
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 7:14pm
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is it...
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 7:16pm
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No, he's much redeemed in my eyes. Especially because of the coupons. //
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 7:21pm
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lol!
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 7:22pm
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btw
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 8:03pm
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Question on the senior menu...
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Brethil
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Jun 19 2013, 12:24am
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you know what's dangerous?
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 12:52am
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regarding "poof"
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 3:52pm
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I don't believe anyone could believe you're intolerant. :) //
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 5:02pm
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hope not : )
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 5:27pm
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Uruk High? That's the school for orcs…? //
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 8:40pm
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indeed
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 11:50pm
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I'm also avoiding imagining Uruk High's cheerleaders...
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noWizardme
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Jun 19 2013, 7:32am
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I thought it was a drug reference
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 12:14am
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second that!//
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telain
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Jun 19 2013, 10:05pm
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ah,
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 10:11pm
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BLT?
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 11:25pm
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sounds delish!
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 11:43pm
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Troll fare
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 12:44pm
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i think i see the problem...
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Maciliel
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Jun 20 2013, 3:17pm
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Hungry after a long day CG?
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Brethil
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Jun 20 2013, 12:17am
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yummy!
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telain
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Jun 20 2013, 5:54pm
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Interesting compare/contrast! A further one - how about Fingolfin c.f. Frodo?
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 4:48pm
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fingolfin and frodo
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 11:24pm
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Fingolfin & Frodo - great contrast - so much depends on motivation
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noWizardme
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Jun 19 2013, 9:26am
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Very interesting tie-in to Tuchman's book! //
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 12:08pm
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Maybe more like Theoden?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 18 2013, 4:49pm
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love theoden!
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 3:50pm
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Now you've got me thinking...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 20 2013, 7:07pm
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heya : )
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Maciliel
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Jun 20 2013, 7:16pm
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Yes, as our Silmarillion discussion progresses
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 7:43pm
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nobody
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Maciliel
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Jun 20 2013, 7:46pm
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Manwe and choices
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Brethil
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Jun 20 2013, 8:47pm
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Manwe's choice
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 10:01pm
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Oh no - don't tell me Manwe has read my footer...//
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Brethil
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Jun 20 2013, 10:14pm
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Good point about the mourning and despair.
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Escapist
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Jun 18 2013, 2:32pm
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Yes, it's amazing how aggressive the US "Department of Defense" can be.
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:38pm
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"No plan survives contact with the enemy."
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Darkstone
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Jun 19 2013, 9:58pm
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ha!
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 10:05pm
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Thanks for the summary NoWiz
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 8:19pm
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Fingolfin's single combat
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:16am
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Finglofin
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Brethil
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Jun 16 2013, 1:08pm
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acting upon the rage of sorrow
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Maciliel
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Jun 16 2013, 6:02pm
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Exceptionally well put here Telpemairo!
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Brethil
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Jun 17 2013, 12:25am
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thank-eee
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Maciliel
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Jun 17 2013, 2:31am
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Pathos and Turgon
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:46pm
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Excellent and touching point CG
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Brethil
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Jun 17 2013, 6:15pm
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more thoughts on Fingolfin
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 12:40am
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Better late than never
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Lothwen
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Jun 21 2013, 9:01am
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Facing Sauron as an improvement cf facing Morgoth
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noWizardme
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Jun 21 2013, 9:39am
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Call not to the gods....
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:19am
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no real realization yet
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Maciliel
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Jun 16 2013, 6:13pm
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Huh, don't get me started on the Valar!
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 8:34pm
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The Valar don't know fear...
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 2:03pm
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perhaps that's part of the problem
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 11:13pm
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East calling West
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 9:00pm
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Calling for help
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Brethil
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Jun 16 2013, 9:10pm
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That must be it, Brethil
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 10:06pm
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If it comes to that...
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 10:08pm
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More on calling for help
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Brethil
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Jun 17 2013, 5:02pm
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what if...
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 1:45pm
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Makes it more heroic if so - and a bit on Thorondor
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Brethil
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Jun 18 2013, 2:32pm
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The Valar aren't coming! The Eagles aren't coming!
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 3:28pm
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well put
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 4:22pm
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Indomitable spirit
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 5:27pm
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Eagles and matters of fate and doom
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:20am
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More on eagles
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Brethil
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Jun 18 2013, 2:44pm
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Under-energetic allies?
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 10:08am
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Hey, the Orcs aren't in MY living room, why should I care?
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 8:20pm
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oh and...
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Maciliel
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Jun 17 2013, 2:29am
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All of the postings to this thread - AWESOME
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ltnjmy
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Jun 19 2013, 9:04pm
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Thanks Itnjmy! //
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noWizardme
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Jun 19 2013, 9:21pm
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yes, but...
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 10:03pm
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Good to see you Itnjmy!
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Brethil
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Jun 19 2013, 11:56pm
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Thanks for the compliments, Itnjmy. We always appreciate your feedback and are glad you enjoy the discussion. //
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 5:37pm
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Some selected points from the 2009 read-through
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noWizardme
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Jun 23 2013, 10:15am
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