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Maciliel
Valinor
Jun 18 2013, 11:50pm
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they are first in their division. because they keep on eating their opponents. whatever works, i suppose. cheers -- .
aka. fili orc-enshield +++++++++++++++++++ the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield." this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Chapter 18: Of The Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:08am
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Tolkien's personal and literary experiences of war, and their influence on this chapter
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:15am
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Heroic myths
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Brethil
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Jun 16 2013, 1:21pm
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Written for the ear!
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 5:37pm
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Hear, hear
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 8:37pm
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I agree...
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 8:45pm
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large scale
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Maciliel
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Jun 16 2013, 5:51pm
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Soldiers and wooden blocks
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 6:01pm
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The two faces of war
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 8:51pm
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"Modern generals never fight now"
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squire
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Jun 17 2013, 2:47am
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"He uses others as his weapons"
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noWizardme
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Jun 17 2013, 11:47am
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England has such picky, arcane rules for kingship
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:13pm
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Another reason for "safe" generals
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:18pm
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The tragedy of Denethor
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FarFromHome
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Jun 18 2013, 1:31pm
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I think some of this depends on the particular situation.
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Escapist
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Jun 18 2013, 1:40pm
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Generalship by walking around
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 2:00pm
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the suicides of fingolfin and denethor
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 2:26pm
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Denethor fan!
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 3:06pm
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so the grima thing...
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 5:09pm
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Yes, I do give it away in my Facebook entries
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 5:18pm
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a little denethor trivia
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 6:13pm
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LOL and LOL some more //
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 7:14pm
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is it...
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 7:16pm
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No, he's much redeemed in my eyes. Especially because of the coupons. //
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 7:21pm
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lol!
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 7:22pm
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btw
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 8:03pm
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Question on the senior menu...
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Brethil
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Jun 19 2013, 12:24am
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you know what's dangerous?
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 12:52am
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regarding "poof"
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 3:52pm
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I don't believe anyone could believe you're intolerant. :) //
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 5:02pm
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hope not : )
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 5:27pm
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Uruk High? That's the school for orcs…? //
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 8:40pm
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indeed
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 11:50pm
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I'm also avoiding imagining Uruk High's cheerleaders...
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noWizardme
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Jun 19 2013, 7:32am
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I thought it was a drug reference
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 12:14am
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second that!//
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telain
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Jun 19 2013, 10:05pm
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ah,
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 10:11pm
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BLT?
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 11:25pm
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sounds delish!
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 11:43pm
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Troll fare
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 12:44pm
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i think i see the problem...
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Maciliel
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Jun 20 2013, 3:17pm
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Hungry after a long day CG?
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Brethil
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Jun 20 2013, 12:17am
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yummy!
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telain
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Jun 20 2013, 5:54pm
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Interesting compare/contrast! A further one - how about Fingolfin c.f. Frodo?
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 4:48pm
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fingolfin and frodo
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 11:24pm
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Fingolfin & Frodo - great contrast - so much depends on motivation
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noWizardme
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Jun 19 2013, 9:26am
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Very interesting tie-in to Tuchman's book! //
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 12:08pm
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Maybe more like Theoden?
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FarFromHome
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Jun 18 2013, 4:49pm
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love theoden!
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 3:50pm
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Now you've got me thinking...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 20 2013, 7:07pm
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heya : )
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Maciliel
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Jun 20 2013, 7:16pm
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Yes, as our Silmarillion discussion progresses
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 7:43pm
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nobody
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Maciliel
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Jun 20 2013, 7:46pm
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Manwe and choices
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Brethil
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Jun 20 2013, 8:47pm
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Manwe's choice
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 10:01pm
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Oh no - don't tell me Manwe has read my footer...//
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Brethil
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Jun 20 2013, 10:14pm
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Good point about the mourning and despair.
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Escapist
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Jun 18 2013, 2:32pm
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Yes, it's amazing how aggressive the US "Department of Defense" can be.
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:38pm
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"No plan survives contact with the enemy."
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Darkstone
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Jun 19 2013, 9:58pm
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ha!
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 10:05pm
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Thanks for the summary NoWiz
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 8:19pm
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Fingolfin's single combat
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:16am
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Finglofin
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Brethil
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Jun 16 2013, 1:08pm
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acting upon the rage of sorrow
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Maciliel
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Jun 16 2013, 6:02pm
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Exceptionally well put here Telpemairo!
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Brethil
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Jun 17 2013, 12:25am
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thank-eee
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Maciliel
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Jun 17 2013, 2:31am
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Pathos and Turgon
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CuriousG
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Jun 17 2013, 12:46pm
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Excellent and touching point CG
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Brethil
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Jun 17 2013, 6:15pm
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more thoughts on Fingolfin
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 12:40am
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Better late than never
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Lothwen
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Jun 21 2013, 9:01am
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Facing Sauron as an improvement cf facing Morgoth
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noWizardme
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Jun 21 2013, 9:39am
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Call not to the gods....
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:19am
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no real realization yet
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Maciliel
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Jun 16 2013, 6:13pm
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Huh, don't get me started on the Valar!
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 8:34pm
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The Valar don't know fear...
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 2:03pm
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perhaps that's part of the problem
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2013, 11:13pm
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East calling West
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 9:00pm
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Calling for help
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Brethil
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Jun 16 2013, 9:10pm
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That must be it, Brethil
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 10:06pm
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If it comes to that...
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elaen32
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Jun 16 2013, 10:08pm
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More on calling for help
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Brethil
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Jun 17 2013, 5:02pm
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what if...
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 1:45pm
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Makes it more heroic if so - and a bit on Thorondor
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Brethil
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Jun 18 2013, 2:32pm
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The Valar aren't coming! The Eagles aren't coming!
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CuriousG
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Jun 18 2013, 3:28pm
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well put
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telain
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Jun 18 2013, 4:22pm
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Indomitable spirit
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noWizardme
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Jun 18 2013, 5:27pm
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Eagles and matters of fate and doom
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 9:20am
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More on eagles
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Brethil
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Jun 18 2013, 2:44pm
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Under-energetic allies?
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noWizardme
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Jun 16 2013, 10:08am
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Hey, the Orcs aren't in MY living room, why should I care?
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CuriousG
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Jun 16 2013, 8:20pm
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oh and...
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Maciliel
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Jun 17 2013, 2:29am
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All of the postings to this thread - AWESOME
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ltnjmy
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Jun 19 2013, 9:04pm
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Thanks Itnjmy! //
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noWizardme
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Jun 19 2013, 9:21pm
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yes, but...
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Maciliel
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Jun 19 2013, 10:03pm
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Good to see you Itnjmy!
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Brethil
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Jun 19 2013, 11:56pm
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Thanks for the compliments, Itnjmy. We always appreciate your feedback and are glad you enjoy the discussion. //
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CuriousG
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Jun 20 2013, 5:37pm
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Some selected points from the 2009 read-through
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noWizardme
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Jun 23 2013, 10:15am
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