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sador
Half-elven
Jun 10 2013, 5:54pm
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17/1, Text and Tradition C - The Laiquendi of Ossiriand
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We have copied above (Story Time, A) the mysterious description of the Green-elves lighting no fires, and not singing after dark (does this make sense for Moriquendi, who abided in starlit Middle-earth before the first Sunrise?); we have also discussed the Green-elves in telain's thread. To these curious traits, we must add their own reasons to shun Men, as given to Finrod: For we desire no strangers in this land to break the peace in which we live. And these folk are hewers of trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart we shall afflict them in all ways that we can. Based on these two descriptions – how do you imagine the Green-elves? This question was raised in the previous discussion by Elizabeth; for your reference, see question 3 here. The Green-elves appear once more in The Silmarillion: when Beren and Lúthien return from Mandos, they live among them in the land which is called Dor Firn-i-Guinar, the Land of the Dead that Live (the first paragraph of chapter 20). I think that at this stage they assume a mythical, rather than a physical, dimension. What do you think? How do they compare to the elfs found elsewhere in European myths? Is this apparent already in our chapter? How do the Green-elves compare to (although as far as Tolkien writing is concerned, they draw upon) the mysterious wood-elves in Flies and Spiders (The Hobbit, ch. 8)? Or to the invisible spirits inhabiting the island in The Sea-Bell (The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, no. 15)?
'But my father loves them,' said Túrin, 'and he is not happy without them. He says that we have learned all that we know from them, and have been made a nobler people; and he says that the Men that have lately come over the Mountains are little better than Orcs.' 'That is true,' answered Sador; 'true at least of some of us. But the up-climbing is painful, and from high places it is easy to fall low.' Who was right? Join us in the Reading Room, for the discussion of Of the Coming of Men into the West, beginning on June 9!
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Of the Coming of Men into the West, I: "A chance meeting, as we say in Middle-earth".
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 7:11am
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Wow, big post! Gonna keep me occupied for a while.
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wildespace
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Jun 10 2013, 8:45am
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P.P.S.
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wildespace
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Jun 10 2013, 9:37am
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Please don't!
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 10:00am
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we cross-posted!
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noWizardme
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Jun 10 2013, 10:34am
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Better to break them up, I think
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CuriousG
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Jun 10 2013, 4:47pm
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I'll try
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:33pm
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don't worry, stick with it! :) plus organization of subthreads
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noWizardme
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Jun 10 2013, 10:33am
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Excellent idea, Wiz
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CuriousG
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Jun 10 2013, 5:06pm
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we've all been there! (here..., whatever)
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telain
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Jun 11 2013, 4:51pm
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I'm just befuddled by the sheer volume and intensity of the questions here.
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wildespace
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Jun 12 2013, 8:41am
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As you wish
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CuriousG
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Jun 12 2013, 1:37pm
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So am I!
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telain
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Jun 12 2013, 2:51pm
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Yes, please take a stab at your areas of interest
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 5:44pm
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Finrod, hunter of men and fire marshal
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PhantomS
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Jun 10 2013, 3:20pm
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They certainly hit it off, unlike elves and dwarves...
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noWizardme
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Jun 10 2013, 5:13pm
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Stonehenge was built by Elves? I thought it was Dwarves. :) //
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CuriousG
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Jun 10 2013, 11:38pm
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17/1, Story Time A - Finrod rides alone
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:40pm
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So firstly, Finrod on a hunt....
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Lothwen
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Jun 10 2013, 8:26pm
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Welcome to the Reading Room lothwen
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noWizardme
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Jun 10 2013, 8:41pm
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Welcome to TORn!
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sador
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Jun 11 2013, 12:40pm
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The Lone Ranger
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 12:02am
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Finrod's wanderlust
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telain
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Jun 12 2013, 4:44pm
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The Edain all look like Richard Armitage, and they are all scantily clad
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CuriousG
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Jun 12 2013, 5:14pm
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shameless post to get Brethil and Maciliel involved!
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telain
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Jun 12 2013, 5:57pm
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Fun to tease him
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CuriousG
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Jun 12 2013, 6:13pm
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the teasing just proves that we love him!
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telain
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Jun 13 2013, 11:14pm
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"This whole Silmarillion thing is all about waking up to the real "adult" world, isn't it? "- now that would be a fascinating discussion! Might you do a paper for the symposium, telain?//
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noWizardme
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Jun 14 2013, 7:56am
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(throws caution to wind) Oh, why not?!
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telain
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Jun 14 2013, 2:30pm
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I'm sure you'll make it great, Telain
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CuriousG
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Jun 14 2013, 2:32pm
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Love it! //
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Brethil
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Jun 14 2013, 2:34pm
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Hmmm...
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Brethil
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Jun 14 2013, 12:26pm
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Shameless indeed...!
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Brethil
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Jun 12 2013, 6:46pm
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Summary, and my own responses
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sador
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Jun 18 2013, 10:37am
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17/1, Story Time B - A mutual love
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:43pm
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I love the obscure!
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 12:19am
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Love the Tolkien-lore!
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FarFromHome
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Jun 12 2013, 3:47pm
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and I love obscure Tolkien-lore!
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telain
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Jun 12 2013, 6:10pm
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one more point on the song of wisdom...
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telain
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Jun 13 2013, 10:40pm
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Summary, and my own responses
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sador
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Jun 18 2013, 12:07pm
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Great to read *your* thoughts Sador!
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Brethil
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Jun 18 2013, 8:39pm
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Thank you!
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sador
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Jun 19 2013, 7:25am
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17/1, Story Time C - Balan, or Beor if you wish
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:45pm
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History and vassals
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 12:29am
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Darkness lies behind us
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Ardamírë
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Jun 11 2013, 2:56am
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Hmm - hadn't thought of that. You mean "Darkness lies behind us" as in "we can't remember"?//
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noWizardme
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Jun 11 2013, 12:47pm
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No, as in "we choose not to talk about it".
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Ardamírë
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Jun 13 2013, 2:46pm
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Summary, and my own responses
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sador
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Jun 19 2013, 9:50am
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17/1, Text and Tradition A - King Felagund
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:46pm
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The serpentine history of the cave-hewer
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 12:58am
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Turgon
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Ardamírë
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Jun 11 2013, 2:45am
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Turgon: not perfect, but...
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 12:37pm
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Gondolin
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Ardamírë
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Jun 13 2013, 2:40pm
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Fall of Gondolin
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CuriousG
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Jun 13 2013, 7:26pm
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The Fall of Gondolin
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Ardamírë
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Jun 14 2013, 11:51pm
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What a lovely and touching detail Ardamire!! //
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Brethil
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Jun 13 2013, 7:42pm
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Here's the passage, Brethil.
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Ardamírë
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Jun 14 2013, 11:37pm
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Beautiful! //
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Brethil
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Jun 15 2013, 12:35am
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My pleasure! //
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Ardamírë
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Jun 15 2013, 12:53am
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That is tremendous
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CuriousG
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Jun 15 2013, 2:09am
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Isn't it though?
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Ardamírë
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Jun 15 2013, 2:18am
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Gildor Finrodion? Felagundion?
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Ardamírë
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Jun 11 2013, 3:15am
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as a fan of Gildor
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telain
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Jun 11 2013, 3:04pm
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Gildor and Galion
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Ardamírë
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Jun 13 2013, 2:59pm
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Summary, and my own responses
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sador
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Jun 19 2013, 3:00pm
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Gil-galad
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Ardamírë
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Jun 19 2013, 6:10pm
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Primogeniture vs "Other"
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CuriousG
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Jun 19 2013, 7:07pm
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An interesting thought
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Ardamírë
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Jun 20 2013, 3:36am
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Well, as a BoLT fan
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sador
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Jun 20 2013, 9:52am
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Actually, I didn't remember that
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Ardamírë
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Jun 23 2013, 5:56pm
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The empty title of High King
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CuriousG
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Jun 24 2013, 1:24am
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Great, nuanced distinction to make between Finarfin and Fingolfin
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CuriousG
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Jun 24 2013, 1:42am
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For the sake of completeness, regarding Galadriel
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sador
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Jun 20 2013, 10:11am
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17/1, Text and tradition B - The long-awaited newcomers
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:49pm
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I like the sense of a repeating pattern…
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noWizardme
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Jun 10 2013, 8:54pm
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Summary, and my own responses
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sador
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Jun 20 2013, 1:33pm
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17/1, Text and Tradition C - The Laiquendi of Ossiriand
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sador
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Jun 10 2013, 5:54pm
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I'm beginning to see those green elves…
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noWizardme
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Jun 10 2013, 8:13pm
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The Greenelves do a massive Facebook cull...
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telain
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Jun 13 2013, 11:07pm
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The green elves' Facebook cull
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noWizardme
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Jun 14 2013, 7:58am
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The Prism of Melian is always watchful
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telain
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Jun 14 2013, 2:40pm
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The relative metabolic needs of Elves and Men
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Brethil
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Jun 14 2013, 2:52pm
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Oh, good one...
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telain
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Jun 14 2013, 7:03pm
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Skill vs weight + some enchantment thrown in
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CuriousG
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Jun 14 2013, 7:22pm
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Its one of those 'assumed' things!
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Brethil
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Jun 14 2013, 8:26pm
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You mean the salt they spread on icy roads?
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CuriousG
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Jun 14 2013, 8:38pm
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Or the salt on the slippery mountain road...
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Brethil
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Jun 14 2013, 9:24pm
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Yes, that's a big one
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CuriousG
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Jun 14 2013, 3:11pm
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Laiquendi
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 1:10am
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It wasn't much work
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sador
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Jun 11 2013, 12:52pm
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Summary, and my own responses
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sador
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Jun 20 2013, 3:10pm
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I like it as one post
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 11 2013, 12:46am
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Thank you!
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sador
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Jun 11 2013, 12:48pm
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The more you break up your posts, the sooner you'll make it to Immortal status. //
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 12:52pm
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Thank YOU!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 11 2013, 1:40pm
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Arda Recon is indeed most helpful
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CuriousG
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Jun 11 2013, 2:04pm
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Thank you, kind sir! //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 11 2013, 3:15pm
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On Men and vassals
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Brethil
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Jun 12 2013, 3:38pm
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