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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 2:03pm
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...Olórin had a power limiter placed on him by the Valar, like how a Ford Mustang could top 200 mph (if it didn't fly apart), but Ford put a speed governor on it so it couldn't go past 155. However, Olórin was afraid to go to Arda because he didn't think he was stronger than Sauron. Of course that just might have been false modesty, but why was he hiding when the Valar came to offer the position?
****************************************** I met a Balrog on the stair. He had some wings that weren't there. They weren't there again today. I wish he would just fly away.
(This post was edited by Darkstone on May 17 2013, 2:05pm)
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Errrrr. . . what men were EVER on The Council of The Wise??! WHAT The ANGBAND!??
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AinurOlorin
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May 13 2013, 5:18am
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Tolkien wrote something along the lines of
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emre43
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May 13 2013, 7:21am
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hhhmmmmm
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boldog
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May 13 2013, 7:30am
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Whoops, forgot about Elrond, Tolkien also mentioned him as a member
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emre43
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May 14 2013, 7:46am
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Whomever was current Chief of the Northern Rangers?
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Otaku-sempai
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May 13 2013, 7:56am
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I forgot that Cirdan was part of the council
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Ziggy Stardust
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May 14 2013, 1:37am
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Cirdan
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JWPlatt
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May 14 2013, 2:38am
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Huh?
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Arannir
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May 14 2013, 9:35am
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one word...
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Sinister71
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May 15 2013, 4:16pm
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Sexist Agenda
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Arannir
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May 15 2013, 4:32pm
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Considering Boyens wrote the character I feel she deserves the majority of the blame
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Sinister71
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May 15 2013, 5:20pm
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Well, again...
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Arannir
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May 15 2013, 6:15pm
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I don't mind expansion when its based on something from Tolkien.
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Sinister71
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May 15 2013, 8:08pm
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Well yes, we are going in circles with this.
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Arannir
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May 15 2013, 9:08pm
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As a female
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Elenorflower
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May 17 2013, 4:59pm
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Not So Much Hyperbole
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JWPlatt
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May 15 2013, 5:20pm
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God I hope not. I don't mind her being in the film, or taking the place of an unnamed guard, but to hear her dare to speak Glorfindels'
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:50am
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Boys' Own Story and Galadriel
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JWPlatt
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May 15 2013, 5:17pm
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I think the root for a lot of the added scruitny does deal with some of Phillipa's comments.
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 7:02am
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Galadriel's Irony
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JWPlatt
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May 16 2013, 7:40am
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Amen to so much of this.
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 3:39am
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Emasculation
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JWPlatt
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May 17 2013, 5:07am
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Emasculation, Continued
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JWPlatt
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May 17 2013, 5:22am
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Well.... as I am female.....
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dormouse
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May 17 2013, 11:09am
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Yes, I agree Dormouse...
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elaen32
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May 17 2013, 1:37pm
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The Roots Of Histrionics And Hysteria
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JWPlatt
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May 17 2013, 3:52pm
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Maybe this was done to reconcile TH Gandalf with the one from RotK? ;)
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dik-dik
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May 17 2013, 9:52am
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The dress
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Elessar
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May 17 2013, 12:58pm
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Enough of the name-calling.
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Ataahua
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May 15 2013, 7:40pm
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I am sorry, Ataahua.
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Arannir
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May 15 2013, 9:03pm
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Tolkien never placed Cirdan at the Council of Elrond either...
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Otaku-sempai
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May 14 2013, 12:35pm
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grammaboodawg's photo site
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Loresilme
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May 14 2013, 5:06pm
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Thanks, gramma'
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Otaku-sempai
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May 14 2013, 8:44pm
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The Dunedain chieftains?
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DeadRabbits
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May 13 2013, 8:03am
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Bomby agrees..Dunedain...YES!///
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Bombadil
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May 13 2013, 8:20am
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No, therein were The Istari, "Galadriel, Cirdan, and Elrond, and other Lords of The Eldar. . . " Glorfindel speaks
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AinurOlorin
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May 15 2013, 3:52am
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Technically speaking,
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emre43
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May 14 2013, 7:50am
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Aragorn at 10 years old...
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Otaku-sempai
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May 14 2013, 12:40pm
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Well, it could just be a slip of the tongue....
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dormouse
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May 13 2013, 8:26am
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Radagast
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Otaku-sempai
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May 13 2013, 3:56pm
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Relaxed
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JWPlatt
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May 13 2013, 4:07pm
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He limits it specifically to Istari and Lords of The Eldar. Galadriel, Elrond
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AinurOlorin
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May 15 2013, 3:56am
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No, I don't think that's quite right....
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dormouse
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May 15 2013, 8:44am
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He does not include them. No, he doesn't say "no man ever," and by that logic, you could
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:26am
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I wouldn't say 'disapprove' exactly.....
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dormouse
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May 16 2013, 8:15am
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Trying to put some things in perspective.
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Arannir
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May 16 2013, 10:22am
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Pardon my Grammar
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Arannir
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May 16 2013, 11:29am
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I was with you up until that Tauriel, Glorfindel business.
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 3:54am
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Again.
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Arannir
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May 17 2013, 8:35am
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Perhaps think of it this way
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Yngwulff
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May 17 2013, 9:01am
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I have not commented on sexism, per se. As to vomit
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 7:39pm
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Ditto for the most part
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Elessar
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May 16 2013, 1:07pm
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Does being critical of a film make someone a negative person?
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imin
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May 16 2013, 1:38pm
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It does depend
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Elessar
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May 16 2013, 2:51pm
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Yeah i agree
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imin
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May 16 2013, 4:09pm
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I'm with ya on that
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Elessar
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May 16 2013, 4:23pm
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RR
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Starling
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May 16 2013, 6:22pm
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That makes sense.
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Elessar
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May 16 2013, 6:46pm
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The only other thing is
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Starling
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May 16 2013, 7:01pm
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I'm gonna have to practice. lol
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Elessar
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May 16 2013, 7:09pm
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Negativity can be habitual, but the blanket "its all good, why must you complain" sentiment
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 3:45am
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Celeborn is implied as well...
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dik-dik
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May 15 2013, 9:34am
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I do not find it un-reasonable...
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Arannir
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May 13 2013, 10:13am
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Reference
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JWPlatt
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May 13 2013, 2:50pm
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here
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Arannir
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May 13 2013, 2:56pm
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Gah
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JWPlatt
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May 13 2013, 3:07pm
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How lovely.
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Arannir
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May 13 2013, 3:13pm
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No direct link
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DanielLB
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May 13 2013, 3:18pm
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Sexist agenda?
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Súlimë
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May 14 2013, 8:42am
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She's a girl
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totoro
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May 15 2013, 5:46am
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Re: men at councils
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dik-dik
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May 13 2013, 3:00pm
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Well, the absences bother me as well. This is more a quip about the lore reports of Phillipa. . .
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AinurOlorin
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May 15 2013, 4:00am
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I generally avoid crew interviews analysing Tolkien's work...
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dik-dik
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May 15 2013, 10:01am
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Alliance Versus White Council
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JWPlatt
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May 13 2013, 3:48pm
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Hobbits too.
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Darkstone
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May 13 2013, 4:21pm
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Seriously though
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The Mitch King
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May 14 2013, 6:40pm
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Dunno
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Darkstone
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May 14 2013, 7:07pm
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And forbidden to seek to dominate men by force or by fear. . . (generally) limited to
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AinurOlorin
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May 15 2013, 4:08am
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Proof by Balrog
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Darkstone
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May 15 2013, 1:11pm
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Glorfindel died i thought?
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imin
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May 15 2013, 2:21pm
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Yep.
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Darkstone
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May 15 2013, 2:36pm
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The Details of the Ecthellion account are also subject to scrutiny, as the only
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:46am
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I always find it funny.
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Darkstone
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May 16 2013, 1:54pm
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Tolkien's LETTERS and ruminations AFTER the publications of Rings are what I bring up NOT Rough
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 4:07am
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That logic doesn't hold. Glorfindel also perished in his battle. And there is no reason
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:32am
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Yes, it does.
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Darkstone
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May 16 2013, 1:25pm
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How so?
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dik-dik
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May 16 2013, 4:31pm
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BoLT II:
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Darkstone
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May 16 2013, 4:48pm
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But he was still killed by the balrog, eventhough he dealt it a mortal wound...
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dik-dik
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May 16 2013, 10:12pm
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This is how i read it. //
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imin
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May 16 2013, 10:51pm
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See my above for why there are MASSIVE problems with our friend's reading of events.
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 4:12am
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Yes.
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 1:55pm
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Would Glorfindel survive the fall from the bridge in Moria?
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imin
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May 17 2013, 3:36pm
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Not if his Balrog was dead.
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 3:52pm
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You know darn well that the Balrogs that appears in the 1917 -1920 Fall of Gondolin story
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 6:57pm
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You're still in time out.
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 7:06pm
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You Tiger
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JWPlatt
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May 17 2013, 7:11pm
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Raaawr
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 7:44pm
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AinurOlorin
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Elessar
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May 17 2013, 7:53pm
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Awwww
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 10:01pm
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Virtual High Five Time
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Elessar
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May 17 2013, 11:06pm
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High five met and extended into a bro hug
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AinurOlorin
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May 18 2013, 7:53pm
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I see it a little differently.
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imin
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May 17 2013, 9:05pm
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If you mean in power, the description the trio at the head table in Rivendell seems to point towards Gandalf in my reading.
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dik-dik
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May 17 2013, 10:42pm
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Very true.
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AinurOlorin
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May 18 2013, 7:52pm
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Very true, and well tied to the point I was making. The Balrogs of Tolkiens earliest writings are as
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AinurOlorin
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May 18 2013, 7:52pm
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When that was written, Tolkein was under what he later realized and firmly stated was the FALSE impression
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 4:11am
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Oh my, what a many-branched discussion. Still, I can't resist...
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dik-dik
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May 17 2013, 10:09am
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But..
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 2:03pm
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Whoa, Nelly, I mean Myrtle, or is it Bongo?///
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Bombadil
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May 17 2013, 2:24pm
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I liked what you originally posted better. /
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 3:02pm
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Re:
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dik-dik
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May 17 2013, 10:27pm
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It does have a negative connotation. But weakness and false modesty are both, I think, wrong assumptions.
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AinurOlorin
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May 18 2013, 3:57am
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I agree with this AO
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elaen32
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May 18 2013, 6:04am
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Excellent commentary on the sense of obligation. It was a vital differentiation between he and Saruman
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AinurOlorin
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May 18 2013, 7:43pm
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Re:
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dik-dik
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May 18 2013, 10:15am
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I know it is stated in Morgoth's Ring.
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 7:55pm
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Yes, that's why I was amazed to find the quote on balrogs being lesser Maiar than Sauron.
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dik-dik
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May 17 2013, 10:36pm
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I think it is manageable and congruent. The Balrogs were amongst Melkor's mightiest servants, and
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AinurOlorin
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May 18 2013, 8:00pm
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2 Points
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Yngwulff
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May 19 2013, 8:48am
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not quite...
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dik-dik
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May 19 2013, 12:45pm
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Well said, with one caveat. The Nine were not trying to chase Gandalf off. They meant to capture
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AinurOlorin
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May 19 2013, 5:06pm
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The Nine also fled Gandalf, during the day. "They drew away, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not
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AinurOlorin
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May 19 2013, 5:02pm
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I don't mean to sound contradictory...
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dik-dik
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May 19 2013, 10:37pm
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No. Stand against or withstand denotes holding back or defending against, rather than riding down.
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AinurOlorin
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May 20 2013, 5:22am
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welllll ...............
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Yngwulff
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May 20 2013, 8:46am
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Gandalf & The Witch King
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JWPlatt
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May 20 2013, 2:16pm
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READ MY WHOLE POST PLZ
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Yngwulff
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May 20 2013, 10:58pm
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Theatrical Versus Extended Edition
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JWPlatt
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May 21 2013, 1:04am
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here
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Yngwulff
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May 21 2013, 12:01pm
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Editions
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JWPlatt
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May 21 2013, 1:27pm
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Amen!
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AinurOlorin
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May 21 2013, 10:18pm
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You guys are nuts and missing the whole point
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Yngwulff
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May 23 2013, 6:13am
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re:
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dik-dik
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May 23 2013, 9:15pm
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No
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Yngwulff
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May 24 2013, 3:39am
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If uber technicality is brought in, it would be fair to say Gandalf is not a man, but a male Spirit wearing the shape of a man.
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AinurOlorin
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May 24 2013, 4:57am
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yes, that was my reading as well.
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dik-dik
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May 24 2013, 8:50am
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No Living Man
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Na Vedui
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May 25 2013, 1:27am
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Gandalf the White is NEVER bested by The Witch King. That is erroneous, heretical Jackson apocrypha, and
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AinurOlorin
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May 21 2013, 10:14pm
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Double fault!
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 1:50pm
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Yes he was. Depends on the reading, but depending, it
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 3:57am
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I can’t believe you just threw Glorfindel under the bus!!!
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 1:38pm
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Also, Gandalf The White is specifically, by his own and Tolkien's account, the single most Powerful
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AinurOlorin
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May 15 2013, 4:48am
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Now you're on to something...
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dik-dik
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May 15 2013, 9:54am
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My money says the Balrog might have managed it. . .
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:39am
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But not Gandalf the Grey
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Darkstone
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May 15 2013, 1:17pm
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Ahh, you are cheating. Your quote was about The Wizards in general, versus Galadriel, not
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:42am
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Nope.
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Darkstone
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May 16 2013, 1:47pm
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You cannot be serious, and I will have to assume you are just
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AinurOlorin
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May 17 2013, 4:02am
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I agree with you.
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dik-dik
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May 17 2013, 11:36am
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*ding ding ding ding* Ad hominem! Folks, we have a winner!!
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 1:44pm
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uh-oh! sounds like
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Elenorflower
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May 17 2013, 4:47pm
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Nope
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Darkstone
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May 17 2013, 5:09pm
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I am so glad you shared this. Because half of the fellow Torn sibs keep trying to
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AinurOlorin
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May 15 2013, 4:05am
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But the Wizards are not in the butt-kicking business.
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Elizabeth
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May 15 2013, 6:52am
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Lol. Somone forgot to tell Gandalf, the most widely known of The Order. lol
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AinurOlorin
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May 16 2013, 6:19am
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This is not what we said in that discussion and you know it ;)
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Arannir
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May 15 2013, 10:46am
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Conjecture
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Rostron2
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May 14 2013, 7:35pm
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Thizz THREAD... may go down in the Annuls of TORn as the ...
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Bombadil
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May 17 2013, 2:29pm
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