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I know that Galdor is supposed to be Sindar, but is it a conceit of Jackson's that all Sindar seem to be blond? Apparently not entirely; the description of the Sindar in MERP reads (in part): "Most have fair hair and pale blue or grey eyes. Like the Noldor, they have light skin." I'm still not certain that there is a canonical source for this description.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

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Errrrr. . . what men were EVER on The Council of The Wise??! WHAT The ANGBAND!?? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 13 2013, 5:18am
    Tolkien wrote something along the lines of emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 13 2013, 7:21am
        hhhmmmmm boldog Send a private message to boldog May 13 2013, 7:30am
            Whoops, forgot about Elrond, Tolkien also mentioned him as a member emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 14 2013, 7:46am
        Whomever was current Chief of the Northern Rangers? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 13 2013, 7:56am
        I forgot that Cirdan was part of the council Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust May 14 2013, 1:37am
            Cirdan JWPlatt May 14 2013, 2:38am
                Huh? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 14 2013, 9:35am
                    one word... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 15 2013, 4:16pm
                        Sexist Agenda Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 4:32pm
                            Considering Boyens wrote the character I feel she deserves the majority of the blame Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 15 2013, 5:20pm
                                Well, again... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 6:15pm
                                    I don't mind expansion when its based on something from Tolkien. Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 15 2013, 8:08pm
                                        Well yes, we are going in circles with this. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 9:08pm
                                            As a female Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower May 17 2013, 4:59pm
                            Not So Much Hyperbole JWPlatt May 15 2013, 5:20pm
                            God I hope not. I don't mind her being in the film, or taking the place of an unnamed guard, but to hear her dare to speak Glorfindels' AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:50am
                        Boys' Own Story and Galadriel JWPlatt May 15 2013, 5:17pm
                            I think the root for a lot of the added scruitny does deal with some of Phillipa's comments. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 7:02am
                                Galadriel's Irony JWPlatt May 16 2013, 7:40am
                                    Amen to so much of this. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:39am
                                        Emasculation JWPlatt May 17 2013, 5:07am
                                            Emasculation, Continued JWPlatt May 17 2013, 5:22am
                                            Well.... as I am female..... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 17 2013, 11:09am
                                                Yes, I agree Dormouse... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 17 2013, 1:37pm
                                                The Roots Of Histrionics And Hysteria JWPlatt May 17 2013, 3:52pm
                                        Maybe this was done to reconcile TH Gandalf with the one from RotK? ;) dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 9:52am
                                        The dress Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 12:58pm
                    Enough of the name-calling. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua May 15 2013, 7:40pm
                        I am sorry, Ataahua. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 9:03pm
                Tolkien never placed Cirdan at the Council of Elrond either... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 14 2013, 12:35pm
                    grammaboodawg's photo site Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme May 14 2013, 5:06pm
                        Thanks, gramma' Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 14 2013, 8:44pm
    The Dunedain chieftains? DeadRabbits Send a private message to DeadRabbits May 13 2013, 8:03am
        Bomby agrees..Dunedain...YES!/// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 13 2013, 8:20am
            No, therein were The Istari, "Galadriel, Cirdan, and Elrond, and other Lords of The Eldar. . . " Glorfindel speaks AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 3:52am
        Technically speaking, emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 14 2013, 7:50am
            Aragorn at 10 years old... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 14 2013, 12:40pm
    Well, it could just be a slip of the tongue.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 13 2013, 8:26am
        Radagast Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 13 2013, 3:56pm
        Relaxed JWPlatt May 13 2013, 4:07pm
        He limits it specifically to Istari and Lords of The Eldar. Galadriel, Elrond AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 3:56am
            No, I don't think that's quite right.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 15 2013, 8:44am
                He does not include them. No, he doesn't say "no man ever," and by that logic, you could AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:26am
                    I wouldn't say 'disapprove' exactly..... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse May 16 2013, 8:15am
                        Trying to put some things in perspective. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2013, 10:22am
                            Pardon my Grammar Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2013, 11:29am
                            I was with you up until that Tauriel, Glorfindel business. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:54am
                                Again. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 17 2013, 8:35am
                                    Perhaps think of it this way Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 17 2013, 9:01am
                                    I have not commented on sexism, per se. As to vomit AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 7:39pm
                        Ditto for the most part Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 1:07pm
                            Does being critical of a film make someone a negative person? imin Send a private message to imin May 16 2013, 1:38pm
                                It does depend Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 2:51pm
                                    Yeah i agree imin Send a private message to imin May 16 2013, 4:09pm
                                        I'm with ya on that Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 4:23pm
                                            RR Starling Send a private message to Starling May 16 2013, 6:22pm
                                                That makes sense. Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 6:46pm
                                                    The only other thing is Starling Send a private message to Starling May 16 2013, 7:01pm
                                                        I'm gonna have to practice. lol Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 16 2013, 7:09pm
                        Negativity can be habitual, but the blanket "its all good, why must you complain" sentiment AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:45am
            Celeborn is implied as well... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 15 2013, 9:34am
    I do not find it un-reasonable... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 13 2013, 10:13am
    Reference JWPlatt May 13 2013, 2:50pm
        here Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 13 2013, 2:56pm
            Gah JWPlatt May 13 2013, 3:07pm
                How lovely. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 13 2013, 3:13pm
                No direct link DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 13 2013, 3:18pm
        Sexist agenda? Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë May 14 2013, 8:42am
            She's a girl totoro Send a private message to totoro May 15 2013, 5:46am
    Re: men at councils dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 13 2013, 3:00pm
        Well, the absences bother me as well. This is more a quip about the lore reports of Phillipa. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:00am
            I generally avoid crew interviews analysing Tolkien's work... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 15 2013, 10:01am
    Alliance Versus White Council JWPlatt May 13 2013, 3:48pm
    Hobbits too. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 13 2013, 4:21pm
    Seriously though The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King May 14 2013, 6:40pm
        Dunno Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 14 2013, 7:07pm
            And forbidden to seek to dominate men by force or by fear. . . (generally) limited to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:08am
                Proof by Balrog Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2013, 1:11pm
                    Glorfindel died i thought? imin Send a private message to imin May 15 2013, 2:21pm
                        Yep. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2013, 2:36pm
                            The Details of the Ecthellion account are also subject to scrutiny, as the only AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:46am
                                I always find it funny. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 1:54pm
                                    Tolkien's LETTERS and ruminations AFTER the publications of Rings are what I bring up NOT Rough AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:07am
                    That logic doesn't hold. Glorfindel also perished in his battle. And there is no reason AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:32am
                        Yes, it does. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 1:25pm
                            How so? dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 16 2013, 4:31pm
                                BoLT II: Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 4:48pm
                                    But he was still killed by the balrog, eventhough he dealt it a mortal wound... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 16 2013, 10:12pm
                                        This is how i read it. // imin Send a private message to imin May 16 2013, 10:51pm
                                        See my above for why there are MASSIVE problems with our friend's reading of events. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:12am
                                        Yes. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:55pm
                                            Would Glorfindel survive the fall from the bridge in Moria? imin Send a private message to imin May 17 2013, 3:36pm
                                                Not if his Balrog was dead. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 3:52pm
                                                    You know darn well that the Balrogs that appears in the 1917 -1920 Fall of Gondolin story AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 6:57pm
                                                        You're still in time out. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 7:06pm
                                                        You Tiger JWPlatt May 17 2013, 7:11pm
                                                            Raaawr AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 7:44pm
                                                            AinurOlorin Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 7:53pm
                                                                Awwww AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 10:01pm
                                                                    Virtual High Five Time Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 17 2013, 11:06pm
                                                                        High five met and extended into a bro hug AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:53pm
                                                    I see it a little differently. imin Send a private message to imin May 17 2013, 9:05pm
                                                        If you mean in power, the description the trio at the head table in Rivendell seems to point towards Gandalf in my reading. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:42pm
                                                            Very true. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:52pm
                                                        Very true, and well tied to the point I was making. The Balrogs of Tolkiens earliest writings are as AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:52pm
                                    When that was written, Tolkein was under what he later realized and firmly stated was the FALSE impression AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:11am
                                        Oh my, what a many-branched discussion. Still, I can't resist... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:09am
                                            But.. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 2:03pm
                                                Whoa, Nelly, I mean Myrtle, or is it Bongo?/// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 17 2013, 2:24pm
                                                    I liked what you originally posted better. / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 3:02pm
                                                Re: dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:27pm
                                                    It does have a negative connotation. But weakness and false modesty are both, I think, wrong assumptions. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 3:57am
                                                        I agree with this AO elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 18 2013, 6:04am
                                                            Excellent commentary on the sense of obligation. It was a vital differentiation between he and Saruman AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 7:43pm
                                                        Re: dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 18 2013, 10:15am
                                            I know it is stated in Morgoth's Ring. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 7:55pm
                                                Yes, that's why I was amazed to find the quote on balrogs being lesser Maiar than Sauron. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 10:36pm
                                                    I think it is manageable and congruent. The Balrogs were amongst Melkor's mightiest servants, and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 18 2013, 8:00pm
                                                        2 Points Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 19 2013, 8:48am
                                                            not quite... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 19 2013, 12:45pm
                                                                Well said, with one caveat. The Nine were not trying to chase Gandalf off. They meant to capture AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 19 2013, 5:06pm
                                                            The Nine also fled Gandalf, during the day. "They drew away, for they felt the coming of my anger and they dared not AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 19 2013, 5:02pm
                                                                I don't mean to sound contradictory... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 19 2013, 10:37pm
                                                                    No. Stand against or withstand denotes holding back or defending against, rather than riding down. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 20 2013, 5:22am
                                                                        welllll ............... Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 20 2013, 8:46am
                                                                            Gandalf & The Witch King JWPlatt May 20 2013, 2:16pm
                                                                                READ MY WHOLE POST PLZ Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 20 2013, 10:58pm
                                                                                    Theatrical Versus Extended Edition JWPlatt May 21 2013, 1:04am
                                                                                        here Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 21 2013, 12:01pm
                                                                                            Editions JWPlatt May 21 2013, 1:27pm
                                                                                Amen! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2013, 10:18pm
                                                                                    You guys are nuts and missing the whole point Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 23 2013, 6:13am
                                                                                        re: dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 23 2013, 9:15pm
                                                                                            No Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 24 2013, 3:39am
                                                                                                If uber technicality is brought in, it would be fair to say Gandalf is not a man, but a male Spirit wearing the shape of a man. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 24 2013, 4:57am
                                                                                                    yes, that was my reading as well. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 24 2013, 8:50am
                                                                                                        No Living Man Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui May 25 2013, 1:27am
                                                                            Gandalf the White is NEVER bested by The Witch King. That is erroneous, heretical Jackson apocrypha, and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 21 2013, 10:14pm
                                        Double fault! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:50pm
                            Yes he was. Depends on the reading, but depending, it AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 3:57am
                                I can’t believe you just threw Glorfindel under the bus!!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:38pm
            Also, Gandalf The White is specifically, by his own and Tolkien's account, the single most Powerful AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:48am
                Now you're on to something... dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 15 2013, 9:54am
                    My money says the Balrog might have managed it. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:39am
                But not Gandalf the Grey Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2013, 1:17pm
                    Ahh, you are cheating. Your quote was about The Wizards in general, versus Galadriel, not AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:42am
                        Nope. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2013, 1:47pm
                            You cannot be serious, and I will have to assume you are just AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 17 2013, 4:02am
                                I agree with you. dik-dik Send a private message to dik-dik May 17 2013, 11:36am
                                *ding ding ding ding* Ad hominem! Folks, we have a winner!! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 1:44pm
            uh-oh! sounds like Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower May 17 2013, 4:47pm
                Nope Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 17 2013, 5:09pm
        I am so glad you shared this. Because half of the fellow Torn sibs keep trying to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 15 2013, 4:05am
            But the Wizards are not in the butt-kicking business. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 15 2013, 6:52am
                Lol. Somone forgot to tell Gandalf, the most widely known of The Order. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 16 2013, 6:19am
            This is not what we said in that discussion and you know it ;) Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2013, 10:46am
    Conjecture Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 May 14 2013, 7:35pm
        Thizz THREAD... may go down in the Annuls of TORn as the ... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 17 2013, 2:29pm

 
 
 

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