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Brethil
Half-elven
May 14 2013, 4:05pm
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Some thoughts on your thoughts Phantom...
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**"Yet cause he had for great joy, though it was hidden from him for a while." Is victory and joy close at hand...what if Feanor had lived to see the Sun rise? Knowing Feanor he would call the Sun and Moon an insult to his own work.... This is very interesting, Phantom...I sort of had the idea that seeing the new Light might somehow devalue the Silmarils a bit in his mind, or give him a sense of peace...but not sure if my speculation is out in left field and I am giving Feanor waaaaay too much credit! *The oliphaunt in the room - one thing no one seems to be speaking of is the Rebellion, the Ban of the Valar, and the Kinslaying. Do we have a conspiracy of silence here? If they feel they were right - then why the secrecy? They know about Thingol and hoped the other Noldor would turn around and not tell anyone. Telling the other king of the Teleri you burned his ships and killed his people will not go well at all. It was likely only the leaders of the Feanorian faction (the brothers) who spoke of this so Thingol only heard their version of events. He would be wondering there are no Teleri with them, though. *THAT* is a very excellent point Phantom - yet Thingol never really seems to wonder why no Teleri are in the mix. He only gets angered upon hearing the truth later - maybe because he felt foolish as well? Its not like he's looking to find any absent relatives here. "He canbreed his dragons in peace and get Sauron to sweep the floor of Angband now and again but he's the one in charge for sure." (Haha, in his overalls... *yes Boss...*) That's great....! The Noldor can't do much other than maintain their Siege as they can't get into Angband and they can't call the Valar for help. They are beginning to miss Valinor and are making replicas of things back home, while others like Galadriel are getting a bit restless and aiming to travel further afield. As Thingol has locked the Noldor out of Doriath and Cirdan hanging out at Sirion, no one can actually do anything concrete against Morgoth. They probably spent 400 years thinking of what to do. The perks of Immortality: Structured Indecision
Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."
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Silmarillion Chapter 13: Of the Return of the Noldor
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Brethil
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May 12 2013, 2:21pm
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maciliel-thoughts
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Maciliel
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May 12 2013, 3:35pm
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Moriquendi and the Sun
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:11am
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Aren't we lucky Fingon didn't save another F, like Finrod? Too complicated
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 1:12am
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Haha! Too many F's !!!!!
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:43am
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maedhros
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 7:25pm
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Oaths and Fingon
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 7:50pm
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they are called "Eagles ex machina" in our household...
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telain
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May 14 2013, 2:29am
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+love+ "eagles ex machina" : )
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 4:40pm
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A few thoughts...
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elaen32
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May 12 2013, 10:51pm
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Feanor's last (Shakespearean) words...
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:00am
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Nah.
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sador
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May 13 2013, 10:45am
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Ah, look at all that free real estate in front of us!
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CuriousG
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May 12 2013, 11:21pm
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Feanor's early exit
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Ardamírë
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May 12 2013, 11:44pm
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Good point about the sons' increased obligation. //
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CuriousG
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May 12 2013, 11:53pm
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Agreed Ardamire - his death adds potency
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:25am
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Feanor and the Dawn
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:18am
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The Noldor at war, and sleeping oaths (a hasty post...)
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noWizardme
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May 13 2013, 5:54pm
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Now that I think about it, why call on Manwe instead of Varda, the Vala of choice? //
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 6:01pm
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Hmmm...to bird or not to bird?
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 6:18pm
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i think because
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 7:03pm
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Those are all excellent reasons. Thank you. //
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 7:40pm
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Comparing Ulmo and Manwe...
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 6:15pm
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Really like that comparison:
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 6:46pm
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Now that the Bad Elf is out of the way
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CuriousG
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May 12 2013, 11:52pm
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morgoth is that guy
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 12:24am
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Ha! Good question.
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sador
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May 13 2013, 10:11am
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Now that everyone's arrived, let's get the party started
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 12:12am
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elven spending
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 12:59am
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Oh, I like that. :) //
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 1:14am
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Or... that naked Dwarf calendar!!!!
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:20am
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Politics as usual
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 12:50am
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curiousg
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 1:09am
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Where do these Elves get their ideas?
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:41am
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Thingol: is Melian the problem?
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 1:47am
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One problem with Melian
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 2:23am
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I agree with the agreement of Telain
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telain
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May 14 2013, 2:17am
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Great phrase there BTW!
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Brethil
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May 14 2013, 3:16am
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thinking about the silmarils this evening
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 3:50am
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you are not alone
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telain
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May 14 2013, 1:06pm
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Yes, Telain, we are all caught up in The Oath
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 1:41pm
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silmarils -- reflected light of the fire imperishable
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 4:53pm
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I like the Imperishable Flame as Silmaril-origin, but
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 1:14pm
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I love these thoughts...
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elaen32
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May 14 2013, 2:15pm
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Elves and moths
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noWizardme
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May 14 2013, 9:41pm
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are you sure....
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 9:43pm
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Or a winged Balrog? //
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 11:01pm
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If you hear "Gimme my Silmaril...!" squeaking in a teeny cartoon voice...
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Brethil
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May 15 2013, 12:18am
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pfffffffftttttttt!!!!!!!!
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Maciliel
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May 15 2013, 12:42am
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Tiny eagle!
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noWizardme
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May 15 2013, 11:26am
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Isn't it obvious?
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elaen32
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May 15 2013, 12:05pm
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Oh, that o-puns a can of worms
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CuriousG
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May 15 2013, 12:32pm
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And to deal with a Tolkien bug...
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Brethil
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May 16 2013, 12:08am
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Noooooo!!!!
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elaen32
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May 16 2013, 8:28am
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Wait
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CuriousG
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May 16 2013, 12:46pm
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somebody
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Maciliel
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May 16 2013, 2:35pm
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Well, he certainly isn't a damsel fly!! (see Brethils post on Main)
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elaen32
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May 16 2013, 2:44pm
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****damsel fly**** hahahahaha!!!!!!
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Brethil
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May 16 2013, 2:50pm
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Shhhh...keep your voice down...
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Brethil
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May 16 2013, 2:43pm
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"The Huorns" sounds like a French jazz ensemble
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noWizardme
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May 16 2013, 6:24pm
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I am very impressed!
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telain
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May 14 2013, 1:18pm
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Ha, bound we are...those troublesome oaths..
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Brethil
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May 14 2013, 1:55pm
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What's natural and not
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 5:17pm
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creative thought
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 5:22pm
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Good one, Mac! :) //
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 6:43pm
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didja notice...
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 7:03pm
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Hahahaha-
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Brethil
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May 14 2013, 7:20pm
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a reflection of a reflection
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 5:26pm
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diluted...
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telain
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May 15 2013, 3:58pm
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The Valar and pretty, shiny things
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Brethil
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May 14 2013, 7:32pm
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Nienna vs Ungoliant smack-down
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 8:43pm
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the mingled blight of the two trees
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 9:14pm
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Yes, that was Yavanna's comment
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CuriousG
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May 14 2013, 9:34pm
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light, incorruptible
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Maciliel
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May 14 2013, 6:19pm
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The PERFECT phrasing - thank you Mac! (but now my brain is offline)
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Brethil
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May 14 2013, 7:07pm
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Eru and the Flame
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Brethil
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May 16 2013, 3:15am
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thingall
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 2:24am
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Thingall (haha) and Melian
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 10:27am
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Two points...
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elaen32
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May 13 2013, 9:03am
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Prince Rainbow
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sador
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May 13 2013, 10:51am
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Thanks for that reference, Sador
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 3:59pm
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Glad you enjoy the bunny-book too!
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 4:10pm
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Answers - part 1
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sador
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May 13 2013, 9:07am
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Fire and the Sun
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telain
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May 14 2013, 2:41am
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Answers - part 2
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sador
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May 13 2013, 2:12pm
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Maehdros' chances
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 3:28pm
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Neat idea
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 3:45pm
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maedhros
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 4:57pm
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Oaths
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 5:41pm
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great summation of oaths
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 6:57pm
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Awesome points about Maehdros and leadership
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 6:24pm
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ha! : )
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 6:37pm
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Feanor and Nerdanel as rulers
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 10:20pm
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she's a smart one, that nerdanel
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Maciliel
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May 13 2013, 11:59pm
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many interesting questions
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elostirion74
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May 13 2013, 3:40pm
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Feanor's spirit as servant or lord?
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CuriousG
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May 13 2013, 3:55pm
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hmm, difficult question
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elostirion74
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May 21 2013, 9:49pm
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Feanor as his own island
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Brethil
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May 21 2013, 11:30pm
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His mother, the Valar, Nerdanel, Olwe - even Melkor
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sador
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May 22 2013, 6:24am
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I do belive that too Sador
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Brethil
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May 22 2013, 1:10pm
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Comsumption - by oneself.
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 6:07pm
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So many things happening
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elevorn
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May 13 2013, 4:00pm
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A Truism!
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Brethil
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May 13 2013, 6:34pm
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Show me your Elvish papers, comrade
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PhantomS
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May 14 2013, 3:17pm
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Some thoughts on your thoughts Phantom...
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Brethil
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May 14 2013, 4:05pm
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late is the hour in which Telain responds
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telain
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May 17 2013, 1:35pm
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Elves, war, and flying the coop
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CuriousG
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May 17 2013, 5:57pm
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Elves behaving as Elves
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Brethil
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May 17 2013, 6:29pm
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noldor longing and sense of loss not leaving them
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Maciliel
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May 17 2013, 7:18pm
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and that is interesting...
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telain
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May 17 2013, 10:57pm
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The Wizards as a late bit of wisdom
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Brethil
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May 17 2013, 11:26pm
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Did we turn the oven off before we left for Valinor?
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telain
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May 17 2013, 11:11pm
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Okay Telian, ROFL now!
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Brethil
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May 17 2013, 11:30pm
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simpatico
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Maciliel
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May 18 2013, 3:04am
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I totally agree, Maciliel
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elaen32
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May 18 2013, 5:23am
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the ironic vanyar
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Maciliel
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May 18 2013, 10:56am
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Excellent depiction of the Vanyar here
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Brethil
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May 18 2013, 1:47pm
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credit where it is due!
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telain
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May 18 2013, 1:53pm
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Teleri
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Brethil
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May 18 2013, 2:11pm
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telain, telain, telain!
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Maciliel
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May 18 2013, 5:57pm
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allow me to pour you a cup of miruvor...
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telain
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May 18 2013, 9:46pm
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thanks, telain! : )
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Maciliel
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May 18 2013, 11:00pm
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Thanks for this Maciliel
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elaen32
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May 18 2013, 11:26pm
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my pleasure, elaen! : )
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Maciliel
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May 19 2013, 1:32am
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Excellent post Telpemairo!
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Brethil
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May 19 2013, 1:11am
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i'm getting this image..
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Maciliel
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May 19 2013, 1:38am
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I have not overlooked your quote from Morgoth's Ring...
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telain
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May 20 2013, 3:21pm
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telain, you've inspired me...
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Maciliel
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May 20 2013, 6:16pm
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The Teleri
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elostirion74
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May 21 2013, 9:18pm
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Teldaquent I name thee - the last word is a welcome guest!
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Brethil
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May 17 2013, 6:23pm
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nernandel as a decisive influence on maedhros..
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Maciliel
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May 17 2013, 7:22pm
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Indeed, I agree here Telpemairo
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Brethil
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May 17 2013, 8:21pm
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thrilled...
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telain
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May 17 2013, 10:50pm
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