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Roheryn
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May 6 2013, 1:12am
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But the movies aren't over yet.
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We have no idea how Dain's character arc will play out. There are still two movies to go, and we haven't even seen Dain yet. There's no point in getting our knickers in a twist over this.
A different take: Dain has been shown to be sensible, refusing to send his people on what is likely to be a suicide mission. Thorin has to follow his duty to his people; Dain is following his own duty to his own people. Makes sense to me.
At this point, we have no idea what will motivate Dain to change his mind. I see no reason why his motivation couldn't be to help his kin. When Thorin and Company are besieged in Erebor, they're in a tight spot and need rescuing; there's no dragon any more so Dain's not committing to an obvious suicide mission; and Dain and his Dwarves stand a reasonable chance of making a huge difference to Thorin's plight (which was not true were Dain to send Dwarves along with Thorin to Erebor in the first place). He certainly isn't coming to the battle expecting Thorin and the princes to be slain, so likewise is certainly not expecting that he himself will inherit the kingdom.
It's quite possible Dain could slay Azog at Bo5A. If so, I suspect that would mean a LOT more to the audience ("YAY!!! He killed Thorin's archenemy!") than if he'd slain Azog at Azanulbizar ("Oh good, he killed a big Orc."). In the latter case, by the time we got to the end of Bo5A, we'd probably have forgotten about Dain's deed at Azanulbizar. Whatever he does at Bo5A, and I expect it will be something suitably heroic, will be fresh in our minds.
And it strikes me as slightly ironic that you complain about the "necromancer nonsense", when in fact it did happen during the story of The Hobbit -- just offscreen, as it were; but you want the Battle of Azanulbizar -- which did not happen during the story of The Hobbit -- to be portrayed with historical accuracy. If Jackson stuck strictly to just The Hobbit book, we'd get a brief last-minute mention that Dain slew Azog (with no explanation of why that has any importance), and Dain would have nothing particularly heroic to do before or during the Bo5A (except showing up, which he does only after the dragon is dead). I think that would make the audience even less sympathetic to Dain.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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May 5 2013, 12:13pm
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Excellent point
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Kaede
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May 5 2013, 1:20pm
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They have already
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Sinister71
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May 5 2013, 5:32pm
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This quote from Tolkien sums up your comment in my mind
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Oin's parasite
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May 5 2013, 7:14pm
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I still think it paints Dain in a poor light
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Sinister71
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May 5 2013, 7:37pm
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Dainīs role (ssspoilers)
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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May 5 2013, 8:13pm
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But the movies aren't over yet.
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Roheryn
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May 6 2013, 1:12am
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the fact is though
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Sinister71
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May 6 2013, 2:03am
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hmmm
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The Mitch King
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May 6 2013, 3:37am
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My problem with that is
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Sinister71
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May 6 2013, 4:33pm
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I have complete understanding for this...
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Arannir
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May 6 2013, 5:16pm
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I can respect your views
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Sinister71
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May 6 2013, 7:08pm
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To quote Gandalf...
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The Mitch King
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May 6 2013, 7:27pm
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I see the changes you list, of course.
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Arannir
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May 6 2013, 7:54pm
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issue with the appendices
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Sinister71
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May 7 2013, 1:26pm
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I agree
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Yngwulff
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May 12 2013, 5:12am
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