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QuackingTroll
Valinor
Apr 24 2013, 1:19pm
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Well, what if Gandalf and Saruman make up in film 2 or 3
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In the book the Necromancer is driven out of Dol Guldur by "the devices of Saruman" That is to say Saruman devised to draw him out. But PJ tends to take things literally, so maybe Saruman will offer some kind of magical device that helps drive the Necromancer out. Through this offering he could gain new respect from the Council; from Gandalf. And the two could be left on good-footing by the end of the trilogy
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Issues about the White Council
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Smeagol Bagginsess
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Apr 23 2013, 11:01am
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My take on it.
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Arannir
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Apr 23 2013, 11:34am
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Yes. Radagast was technically a member of the Council, but...
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 23 2013, 2:42pm
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This...
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Arannir
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Apr 23 2013, 3:09pm
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That's a very good point
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MatthewJer18
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Apr 23 2013, 4:16pm
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Also,
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painjoiker
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Apr 23 2013, 4:36pm
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Agreed about Philippa Boyens' comment about Galadriel being "the most powerful being in Middle-earth"
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Apr 23 2013, 4:39pm
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the boyens quote
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Maciliel
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Apr 23 2013, 6:40pm
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What amuses me so much
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Apr 23 2013, 6:51pm
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peter, peter...
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Maciliel
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Apr 23 2013, 6:55pm
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(i tease peter jackson)
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Maciliel
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Apr 23 2013, 6:58pm
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Zing! I want Cobert to be present at all scripting decisions, if we cannot do so, for he
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 24 2013, 3:48am
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Sauron
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dubulous
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Apr 23 2013, 6:58pm
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It needs to be put under a microscope if that is her sincire opinion and if it is going to colour
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 24 2013, 3:55am
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Telepathic Galadriel
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Rostron2
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Apr 23 2013, 4:43pm
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And one does not mess with one's mother-in-law!
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Arannir
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Apr 23 2013, 4:48pm
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Quite True - he almost gave her a look like - oh well, here is the (more powerful) mother-in law checking in on me again
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ltnjmy
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Apr 23 2013, 6:19pm
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I agree
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MorgolKing
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Apr 23 2013, 5:49pm
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I took it as...
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sauget.diblosio
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Apr 23 2013, 7:13pm
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Telepathic communication
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Ardamírë
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Apr 23 2013, 5:55pm
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Doesn't Saruman...
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cats16
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Apr 23 2013, 6:10pm
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It's not the rings
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Ardamírë
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Apr 23 2013, 6:20pm
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Sorry I should clarify
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cats16
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Apr 23 2013, 6:34pm
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Rings or telepathy
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Ardamírë
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Apr 23 2013, 7:16pm
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Haha thank you
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cats16
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Apr 23 2013, 7:23pm
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No problem!
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Ardamírë
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Apr 23 2013, 7:29pm
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Huge agreement on 1 (Ahh, Glorfindel, where art thou), 3 (Gandalf is no one's lackey) And 5(Ainur are higher than Elves)
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 23 2013, 6:09pm
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My thoughts
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dubulous
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Apr 23 2013, 6:34pm
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I agree with your points, dubulous
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Kristin Thompson
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Apr 24 2013, 1:46am
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Galadriel...
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Guillaume
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Apr 24 2013, 2:01am
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Again, just talking about the book and not the film,
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Kristin Thompson
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Apr 24 2013, 2:41am
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Telepathy in your book
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Ardamírë
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Apr 24 2013, 2:38am
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Thanks!
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Kristin Thompson
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Apr 24 2013, 3:10am
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Magic
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Ardamírë
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Apr 24 2013, 4:02am
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Galadriel vanishing
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Brethil
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Apr 24 2013, 3:28am
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Passage of time
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Ardamírë
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Apr 24 2013, 4:05am
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Good explanation!
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Eleniel
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Apr 24 2013, 6:41am
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100%
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Arannir
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Apr 24 2013, 7:29am
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In some places I must disagree. In others not. Glorfindel and Cirdan would be no more confusing
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 24 2013, 4:13am
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A discussion re-visited ;-)
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Arannir
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Apr 24 2013, 7:28am
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I can see the meaning of the defense, but it doesn't work for me.
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 12:16am
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Well, I do talk to people who have no lore-interest...
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Arannir
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Apr 25 2013, 6:51am
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Interesting, for I often hear the opposite from those not familliar with the lore.
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 9:58pm
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Well...
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Arannir
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Apr 26 2013, 6:47am
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Galadriel's disappearance
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dubulous
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Apr 24 2013, 7:08am
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Introducing other Council members need not be confusing
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 24 2013, 2:12pm
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I wonder if Cirdans appearance would be confusing to the general audience?
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imin
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Apr 24 2013, 2:19pm
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Círdan did already appear in Jackson's RotK
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 24 2013, 2:35pm
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And how much did we see of him there? Or hear from him? or have anything spoken about him?
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imin
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Apr 24 2013, 3:32pm
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He was also shown in closer detail in the prologue...
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Eleniel
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Apr 24 2013, 3:35pm
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Círdan
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 24 2013, 8:33pm
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no i completely agree
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imin
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Apr 24 2013, 9:41pm
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I actually think a skilled director leaves such characters out...
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Arannir
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Apr 24 2013, 2:25pm
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That would depend on circumstances...
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 24 2013, 2:49pm
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However...
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Arannir
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Apr 24 2013, 2:57pm
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Well I would contend that the White Council is an established entity within Tolkien's canon...
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 24 2013, 3:14pm
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I certainly have nothing against what you describe...
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Arannir
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Apr 24 2013, 3:22pm
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I have to admit that my disappointment comes from
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sauget.diblosio
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Apr 24 2013, 3:30pm
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Precisely.
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 12:17am
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But such characters have already appeared
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sauget.diblosio
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Apr 24 2013, 2:59pm
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Then why not pair the Council of Elrond down to none save Elrond and The Fellowship???
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 12:23am
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I commented on this before...
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Arannir
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Apr 25 2013, 6:48am
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You have all the free people accounted for with the fellowhsip alone. No need for anyone else.. . except
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 9:45pm
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Well, exactly...
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Arannir
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Apr 26 2013, 6:50am
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Amen.
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 12:21am
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It gives a great many false notions and misconceptions to the many audience members who
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 24 2013, 3:14am
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I was under the impression
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Apr 23 2013, 9:51pm
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I agree with all your points
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Elenorflower
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Apr 24 2013, 11:25am
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problems with the WC IMO
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Sinister71
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Apr 24 2013, 12:47pm
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The tension wasn't invented...? Saruman was like this in the book //
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QuackingTroll
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Apr 24 2013, 12:55pm
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I'm going strictly by the films here.
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Sinister71
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Apr 24 2013, 12:59pm
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Well, what if Gandalf and Saruman make up in film 2 or 3
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QuackingTroll
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Apr 24 2013, 1:19pm
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wishful thinking IMO to be honest
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Sinister71
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Apr 24 2013, 1:36pm
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I said this earlier, but i never got the feeling that
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sauget.diblosio
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Apr 24 2013, 2:54pm
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I guess people see things differently
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Sinister71
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Apr 24 2013, 3:27pm
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The one change I'd make
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Elessar
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Apr 24 2013, 1:40pm
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I also didn't care for how sheepish Gandalf was.
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RosieLass
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Apr 24 2013, 4:01pm
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I had many problems with the way the White Council was handled.
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jtarkey
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Apr 25 2013, 4:51pm
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They couldn't resist the lure of the SUPER drama of discovery. It would have been SOO much more plausible if they had stuck to the Appendices
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 10:09pm
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concerning authority and the Istari
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Escapist
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Apr 25 2013, 10:23pm
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Prophets/Mystics. . . though they don't always hold to the prescribed edicts.
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AinurOlorin
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Apr 25 2013, 10:37pm
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