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Arathorn
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Dec 19 2007, 5:11pm


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I, Sir, am no dude.

There are a few dozens of sentences relating to the time between Hobbit and LOTR. Just how could anyone not consider that a full story, a 2+h movie about this is anything else than fanfiction is beyond my understanding - even a movie plot description, a sales pitch, could be longer than that. Heck, if anyone else than Rowling wrote tens of pages about the bitter-ending story between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, it would be considered fanfic without any doubt, by the fans themselves.
As for this having been demander by many fans (all the 42 of you), that's no justification at all. I mean, many of us had requested for months that PJ included the notorious bathing scene with Galadriel, Arwen and Eowyn, yet despite the plea of thousands of male fans, we asked in vain.
And when you see what Tolkien actually thought about fanfiction and writing anything on Middle-Earth, be it post-Sauron Aragorn's rule or anything else... - though I don't have the Letters here at the office, so I can't directly quote him.

Then, the other problem, on a completely different level, is that it's close to impossible to have one major story here without dliuting it with numerous sub-plots and passing mentions. So, sure, taking all the Tolkien-referenced events and details about all the characters would be nice, but only die-hard fans would have any interest in that. I'm not sure if they would go the fan.pleasing way - putting as much references as possible, dissolving most of the story - or the more commercial one, and coming up with a good deal of the whole story out of thin air (I suspect the latter).

Last but not least - but of course people here around are well aware of this -, is that there's a risk if PJ isn't directing this all. Particularly if he isn't directing the "sequel" - and I'd even say, particularly if Boyens and Walsh aren't co-writing the script (they would make mostly fanfic, but at least, one that would be coherent with all their additions and changes of LOTR movies, and coherent with the overall style and tone of the movies, but if they pick someone else, it wouldn't be that coherent with Tolkien nor with the LOTR movies we like).

All in all, as I said before, a Hobbit movie can be a good thing, notably if PJ is massively involved in its making - and can be far riskier quality-wise if he's not -, and I'm quite glad it can be done - even if I would have preferred that the whole team who did LOTR did Hobbit, each taking back its previous role. But a "sequel" sounded first as a joke to me when I first read such fan-made speculations years ago, and I still am of the opinion that it is definitely a bad idea.


(I suppose I should toss a "well, I'm back" somewhere up there)

"Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all the time may start to think."
- Terry Pratchett, Small Gods



(This post was edited by Arathorn on Dec 19 2007, 5:12pm)

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What does a “sequel” mean? maegwen Send a private message to maegwen Dec 19 2007, 5:16am
    It depends on who the movie follows Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Dec 19 2007, 5:37am
    A two or three-hour film adapted from a couple thousand words? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 5:46am
        Possibly correct Corvar Send a private message to Corvar Dec 19 2007, 1:32pm
    Good question squire Send a private message to squire Dec 19 2007, 5:52am
        Aragorn/Thorongil would have to be the focal point, I judge. Curious Send a private message to Curious Dec 19 2007, 6:18am
            Would that influence the Hobbit? Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Dec 19 2007, 6:44am
                It needn't. Curious Send a private message to Curious Dec 19 2007, 8:11am
                    There you go. Patty Send a private message to Patty Dec 19 2007, 6:30pm
                "Black Arrow!" cried Aragorn. "I had you from my exiled royal father, and he from..." squire Send a private message to squire Dec 19 2007, 12:31pm
            yes, the story of Thorongil (Aragorn) rewand Send a private message to rewand Dec 20 2007, 2:59pm
                Elrond is protective of Arwen in Appendix A. Curious Send a private message to Curious Dec 20 2007, 4:54pm
                    OK, brooding and controlling Elrond rewand Send a private message to rewand Dec 21 2007, 10:01pm
        My money is on Gandalf SandWitch King Send a private message to SandWitch King Dec 19 2007, 6:23am
            No romance. And Gandalf did most of that Curious Send a private message to Curious Dec 19 2007, 6:31am
                Except for the affair with Arwen, of course. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 6:36am
                    Ew ew ew ew ew. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 19 2007, 8:25am
                Yes but . . . SandWitch King Send a private message to SandWitch King Dec 19 2007, 6:48am
        I can't WAIT to see what they do with this! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Dec 19 2007, 12:55pm
            You make a good case for a broader approach. Curious Send a private message to Curious Dec 19 2007, 3:22pm
        I'm thinking either Thorongil or Dol Guldur Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Dec 19 2007, 4:05pm
    anyone think that AbsintheFaerie Send a private message to AbsintheFaerie Dec 19 2007, 5:52am
        What is Tom due exactly? MrCere Send a private message to MrCere Dec 19 2007, 5:54am
            One possible scenario maegwen Send a private message to maegwen Dec 19 2007, 5:58am
            "Over the course of three nights and two days Bombadil initiates the hobbits..." N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 6:12am
                Excellent but . . . SandWitch King Send a private message to SandWitch King Dec 19 2007, 6:20am
                    Why do you think so? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 6:29am
                        i agree about bombadil AbsintheFaerie Send a private message to AbsintheFaerie Dec 19 2007, 6:58am
                            A filmmaker has to pick and choose... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 7:18am
                                another idea... AbsintheFaerie Send a private message to AbsintheFaerie Dec 19 2007, 7:26am
                        Hmmmm SandWitch King Send a private message to SandWitch King Dec 19 2007, 4:34pm
                            The hobbits are silly too. Curious Send a private message to Curious Dec 19 2007, 5:19pm
    Split The Hobbit into two parts? Nazger Send a private message to Nazger Dec 19 2007, 7:19am
        Director/s Corvar Send a private message to Corvar Dec 19 2007, 1:27pm
    Contradictions! Nazger Send a private message to Nazger Dec 19 2007, 7:29am
    Sequel? Arathorn Send a private message to Arathorn Dec 19 2007, 9:13am
        About this "bridge" movie merklynn Send a private message to merklynn Dec 19 2007, 3:21pm
            hey _V_ Send a private message to _V_ Dec 19 2007, 3:24pm
                linker _V_ Send a private message to _V_ Dec 19 2007, 3:25pm
                Fan fic merklynn Send a private message to merklynn Dec 19 2007, 3:31pm
                It is fan fiction Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Dec 19 2007, 4:08pm
                    Fanfiction? Lunamoth Send a private message to Lunamoth Dec 19 2007, 4:18pm
                        The film, yes. The script, though? Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Dec 19 2007, 4:25pm
                Well Arathorn Send a private message to Arathorn Dec 19 2007, 5:11pm
                    Do not see it that way hasufel Send a private message to hasufel Dec 19 2007, 6:03pm
                    And about time too. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 19 2007, 6:40pm
            Hello! Ainu Laire Send a private message to Ainu Laire Dec 19 2007, 3:55pm
        In response to the Hobbit Sequel... TomBomb Send a private message to TomBomb Dec 19 2007, 7:57pm
            Treasure in Bree? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 8:29pm
        Bree-Dale TomBomb Send a private message to TomBomb Dec 19 2007, 10:48pm
            Three of the thirteen dwarves... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 11:09pm
                Jeez, could you at least give a spoiler alert?! visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Dec 20 2007, 5:53pm
    It looks like there are too many stories with not enough substance. GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Dec 19 2007, 2:03pm
        Like the Animatrix? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 8:07pm
            I suspect it would be more along the lines of Trilogy of Terror. / GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Dec 19 2007, 11:28pm
    more _V_ Send a private message to _V_ Dec 19 2007, 3:20pm
    Sequel ginapsu Send a private message to ginapsu Dec 19 2007, 5:49pm
    This PJ bridge movie thing is not going to work .. but I can think of what will. oldfan Send a private message to oldfan Dec 19 2007, 8:04pm
        I think PJ could be considered a real fan merklynn Send a private message to merklynn Dec 19 2007, 9:05pm
            umm oldfan Send a private message to oldfan Dec 19 2007, 9:30pm
                The lawsuit was... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 9:55pm
        Maybe it would work... BG Send a private message to BG Dec 19 2007, 9:30pm
            it will work oldfan Send a private message to oldfan Dec 19 2007, 9:42pm
            "Notes on Dwarven Engineering" by Reverend. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 19 2007, 10:01pm
    it might be a good idea if done well makonix Send a private message to makonix Dec 21 2007, 12:23am
    The Prequel to The Hobbit simoncito Send a private message to simoncito Dec 21 2007, 12:29am
        Ergo simoncito Send a private message to simoncito Dec 21 2007, 12:38am
    Sequel means none of those things... dvanwechel Send a private message to dvanwechel Dec 24 2007, 2:36pm
        One book told over two movies Dunadan Send a private message to Dunadan Dec 27 2007, 4:45pm
            One book told over two movies Mortimus Send a private message to Mortimus Dec 29 2007, 5:24am

 
 
 

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