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Brethil
Half-elven
Apr 13 2013, 9:47pm
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It links up with you great thread about his writing process...
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which is almost more of a dissertation topic, there is simply so much to discuss! I could almost see that topic as a feature through the various books and stages of plot development. (??????) If you ever start posting it, I would follow it eagerly.
Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.
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**Silmarillion discusion, Chapter 8: Of the Darkening of Valinor**
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Ardamírë
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Apr 8 2013, 10:48pm
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I'm not convinced
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Apr 8 2013, 11:14pm
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Guards
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Ardamírë
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Apr 8 2013, 11:27pm
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Even the sentries on holiday AGAIN?
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noWizardme
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Apr 9 2013, 10:46am
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I hadn't even thought of that!
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Ardamírë
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Apr 9 2013, 5:33pm
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That's why I thought the feast feels "fey"
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Brethil
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Apr 9 2013, 6:27pm
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I think it's a combination
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Finwe
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Apr 9 2013, 7:53pm
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Ultimately I think its a combination as well Finwe
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Brethil
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Apr 10 2013, 12:45am
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Morgoth's Ring
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Finwe
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Apr 10 2013, 2:01am
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Ice Pillars
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Ardamírë
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Apr 10 2013, 2:09am
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You could be correct
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Finwe
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Apr 10 2013, 2:20am
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Yes, definitely somewhere!
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Ardamírë
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Apr 10 2013, 2:54am
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Possibly overconfidence?
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CuriousG
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Apr 9 2013, 7:56pm
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overconfidence and naivete?
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telain
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Apr 13 2013, 12:17am
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The Darkening of Valinor - thoughts on the chapter
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Brethil
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Apr 9 2013, 2:46am
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"the primeval devourer of light"
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noWizardme
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Apr 9 2013, 11:17am
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True N-W-M, and in addition...
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Brethil
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Apr 9 2013, 4:49pm
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What we know, and don't know, about Ungoliant
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noWizardme
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Apr 9 2013, 9:57pm
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Mulling on Ungoliant
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Brethil
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Apr 10 2013, 12:02am
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Ungoliant
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Finwe
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Apr 10 2013, 2:14am
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True - she comes from darkness it seems, in either version
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Brethil
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Apr 10 2013, 2:25am
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Philosophical and in-world-theological problems?
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noWizardme
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Apr 10 2013, 6:32am
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The sprits called forth, such as Ungoliant
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Brethil
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Apr 10 2013, 2:06pm
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*applause and guffaws*
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CuriousG
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Apr 11 2013, 9:06pm
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don't read this post after dark...
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telain
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Apr 13 2013, 12:46am
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My thoughts
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Finwe
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Apr 9 2013, 7:31pm
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One more thing
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Finwe
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Apr 9 2013, 8:10pm
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I often think that too.
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CuriousG
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Apr 9 2013, 8:51pm
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Ungoliant and the sometimes puzzling Valar behavior
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Brethil
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Apr 9 2013, 10:48pm
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well
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elostirion74
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Apr 10 2013, 12:58pm
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You and I agree
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Finwe
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Apr 10 2013, 3:59pm
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The Valar and Ungoliant
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elostirion74
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Apr 10 2013, 9:42pm
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The timing of Ungoliant settling in Avathar
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Brethil
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Apr 11 2013, 5:47pm
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Sounds plausible! I like the idea of Ungoliant the elf-stalker //
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noWizardme
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Apr 11 2013, 9:02pm
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Yes she might have quite a resume...! (And discretion and Valar...hahahah!)
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Brethil
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Apr 11 2013, 10:01pm
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agreed! things are "taking shape"
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telain
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Apr 13 2013, 12:56am
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Very good point Telain about other spirits "out there"
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Brethil
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Apr 13 2013, 2:08am
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clothes really do make the Maiar
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telain
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Apr 14 2013, 11:07pm
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Very true on Primordial Fear Telain
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Brethil
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Apr 16 2013, 12:29am
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a few answers
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elostirion74
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Apr 10 2013, 12:39pm
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Some answers
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CuriousG
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Apr 11 2013, 9:29pm
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Good points
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Ardamírë
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Apr 12 2013, 2:39am
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I have a (partial) defence of Feanor - which I'm preparing as part of discussion of next chapter... //
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noWizardme
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Apr 12 2013, 7:56am
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Your ideas on Feanor
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Brethil
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Apr 12 2013, 11:43am
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just was reading the chapter last night
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Maciliel
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Apr 12 2013, 10:18am
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What an interesting idea! //
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noWizardme
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Apr 12 2013, 11:21am
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Ungoliant is almost a bad Bombadil
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CuriousG
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Apr 12 2013, 1:05pm
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Her unending hunger
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Brethil
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Apr 12 2013, 1:10pm
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Yes, her hatred is fascinating too
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CuriousG
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Apr 12 2013, 1:20pm
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I really like this - she consumes the reaminder of her goodness
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Brethil
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Apr 12 2013, 1:35pm
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so why is everyone so nuts over feanor?
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Maciliel
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Apr 16 2013, 3:06am
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Feanor had a good image consultant in his author
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 3:59am
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He's an unlikeable artist
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squire
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Apr 16 2013, 4:09am
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Artists and stereotypes
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 4:45am
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"King of Planet Unreasonable"
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noWizardme
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Apr 16 2013, 11:17am
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question about form...
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Maciliel
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Apr 16 2013, 11:23am
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I started the next chapter...
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noWizardme
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Apr 16 2013, 12:08pm
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hurrah!
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Maciliel
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Apr 16 2013, 12:15pm
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Melkor & Ungoliant are like Frodo & Sam
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CuriousG
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Apr 11 2013, 9:31pm
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Wow interesting dark parallel
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Brethil
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Apr 12 2013, 2:43am
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Could this be chapter 1?
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noWizardme
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Apr 13 2013, 4:43pm
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True, it could be a starting point, but the feel would definitely change
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Brethil
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Apr 13 2013, 7:20pm
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I agree, it wouldn't fee do mythical. Also, Eru would be much more distant. //
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noWizardme
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Apr 13 2013, 8:04pm
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It links up with you great thread about his writing process...
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Brethil
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Apr 13 2013, 9:47pm
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The Sil was not really ready for prime time in the late 1940s
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squire
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Apr 14 2013, 12:19am
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To do with how Tolkien imagined the Sil, I think
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noWizardme
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Apr 14 2013, 10:39am
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It's a complex proposition, following Tolkien's process here
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squire
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Apr 14 2013, 3:16pm
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Well, if The Hobbit is any indication
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CuriousG
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Apr 15 2013, 1:35am
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who looks likely to be
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Maciliel
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Apr 15 2013, 1:47am
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maciliel-thoughts
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Maciliel
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Apr 15 2013, 3:56am
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Wonderful - thank you!
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sador
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Apr 15 2013, 2:45pm
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thanks, sador
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Maciliel
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Apr 15 2013, 2:51pm
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Intentional descent, or accidental?
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 12:43am
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"Y' get accustomed to th' smell."
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squire
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Apr 16 2013, 1:12am
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...and if it smells troubling today
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noWizardme
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Apr 16 2013, 11:22am
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Tolkien's villians - can we deduce any general points?
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noWizardme
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Apr 16 2013, 1:51pm
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ungoliant
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boldog
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Apr 15 2013, 9:54am
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A brief appearance in each book
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noWizardme
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Apr 15 2013, 1:53pm
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And the mosters Beren fought with on his way to Doriath. //
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sador
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Apr 15 2013, 2:37pm
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Imagine leaving Ungoliant out of the Chapter!
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noWizardme
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Apr 15 2013, 8:37pm
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Ungoliant from Arda Reconstructed
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 2:07am
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Melkor killing the Trees extends the tale
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Brethil
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Apr 16 2013, 2:43am
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Me too
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 12:25am
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Late for the party
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sador
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Apr 15 2013, 2:35pm
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The forgotten wife
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 12:35am
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the sad fate of indis, and the rulership of the noldor
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Maciliel
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Apr 16 2013, 1:10am
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the ruler of the noldor -- high queen galadriel
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Maciliel
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Apr 16 2013, 1:12am
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Indis & Finwe
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Ardamírë
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Apr 16 2013, 1:48am
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Gollum/Ungoliant
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Finwe
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Apr 15 2013, 9:29pm
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Good points
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CuriousG
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Apr 16 2013, 12:13am
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