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Great post CG

Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 8:37pm


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Honestly, I'd never dared to ask if the Silmarils should never have been made, but the question deserves to be asked. They changed history, and while you can blame various people for the decisions they made, the context of history and those choices would be very different (and possibly better) if they never had been. I suppose one could run too far with that thinking, and suggest that if Yavanna had never created the Two Trees, Melkor wouldn't have had anything to cut down and ruin all the happiness. But still, the Silmarils didn't necessarily bring anything new and better to the world as the Two Trees did, they just seemed to repeat what was there.

It says a lot about the ethics of creating that Aule was willing to destroy the Dwarves he created, but Feanor was wholly unwilling to destroy the Silmarils, even if that meant restoring light to Valinor. Do you suppose this comparison is accidental, or intended by Tolkien? Does he want us to see that Aule made the right choice, and Feanor made the wrong choice in the same context?
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Yes, the making of the Silmarils took something shared by all and made it possible to own and claim that light for oneself. That's why I ask that question - even though they are the ultimate in beauty and represent such a holy thing, should they be made plebian and ownable? I think the 'possesiveness' is the difference between Aule and Feanor. Indeed as you point out Aule felt love for his creations, and pride, but those feelings were ultimately secondary to his loyalty and honor of Eru, and when he perceived Eru's displeasure he was willing to give up 'his' creations although it would hurt him. Feanor of course I think started out with that need to create, (almost obsessively, and always to be the best) which seems to have gradually grown into that implacable stubbornness in possessing the Light. Not restoring it is a sad and disturbing event - because really that's ostensibly WHY he created them fearing the loss of the Trees! (That was the 'good intention".) But I think at that point in his life he just cared so little about anyone else's desires or thoughts - that hoarding and possessing were more important, and keeping a lid on his cauldron of problems, which having the Silmarils did (barely maybe?) I think a lot of Feanor's problems are from fear and emptiness - and the Silmaril's might have provided some comfort but they don't fix the problem. I think that's where the Curse comes form.......(ooops save that for later..!) And you are right - Feanor didn't 'grow' with the Valar - he is sort of frozen, but that's probably because he fears change so much, clinging to what is and what was instead. I don't know if Tolkien saw it as psychology so much as maybe the more classical idea of the flawed hero, and from what we have talked about in the Arthurian threads how timeless the Hero is. I think the very old tales last because ultimately they make working sense to us, so even if you don't know the 'lingo' its just a sign that humans and their issues are really really old, and that Tolkien translated this so well.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

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**Silmarillion Discussion Chapter 7: Of The Silmirals and the Unrest of the Noldor elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Mar 18 2013, 4:48pm
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 18 2013, 7:08pm
    Thoughts on Ch 7, Feanor and Family Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 19 2013, 8:34pm
    a few thoughts telain Send a private message to telain Mar 21 2013, 5:21pm
    maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 21 2013, 10:57pm
    Answers and more questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 24 2013, 3:24am
        And answering Your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 10:40am
            More questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:59am
                maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:21am
                    "Smart people don't start many bar fights. But stupid people don't build many hydrogen bombs." noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 2:27pm
                oh, good question telain Send a private message to telain Mar 27 2013, 12:22pm
                Deep Elves elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Mar 27 2013, 10:48pm
                    Problems of creation playing out on a new level noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 4:10pm
        Silmarils and creation ethic Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 26 2013, 7:35pm
            Great insights, Brethil CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:46am
                Great post CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 8:37pm
        interesting, curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:41am
    Answering your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 9:27am
        Just to note that discussion of the next chapter has started noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 9 2013, 11:24am
            very thoughtful addition Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 9 2013, 2:04pm

 
 
 

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