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imin
Valinor
Mar 27 2013, 4:01pm
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Aragorn not Sauron was the rightful owner of the Palantir where as with the Ring, it was Sauron not Aragorn who would have been the rightful owner, something which i think effects the outcome. Also standing up to someone in a palantir is not the same as doing it face to face - at least not in Tolkien's mind. Like you say it would have been troubling to not just dominate him as you do basically everyone instantly but again as you say by using the ring against Sauron it would have worked into Sauron's hands i think anyway, im sure others will disagree, lol. I think out of any mortals Aragorn would gain the most from the ring and have the best shot at trying to conquer the will of the ring but like Isildur i believe it would conquer him as though he is a tiny bit elf and maiar it's not the same as going up against one of the most powerful maia.
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Some confusing (to me) issues about the Power(s) of the Ring and Isildur
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Brethil
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Mar 22 2013, 9:59pm
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We know very little about how it works...
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Elizabeth
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Mar 23 2013, 1:16am
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No, I and wish we did know more
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Brethil
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Mar 23 2013, 2:18am
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I think invisibility is a relatively minor side-effect
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Elizabeth
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Mar 23 2013, 3:49am
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I like your take on the Ring leaving Isildur, Elizabeth
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Brethil
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Mar 23 2013, 2:31pm
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Invisibility and the Ruling Ring
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RustyF
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Mar 27 2013, 9:36pm
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Indeed primarily it is Sauron who stays in the realm of the World
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 9:49pm
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To follow that idea along
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2013, 1:23am
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I don't think he wore it enough
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 1:28am
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An interesting question!
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arithmancer
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Mar 23 2013, 1:40pm
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interesting -- i always interpreted that scene a different way
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Maciliel
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Mar 23 2013, 2:01pm
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Agree about Sam
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arithmancer
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Mar 23 2013, 7:35pm
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Yes, the effects are very interesting:
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Elizabeth
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Mar 23 2013, 11:25pm
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I love the examples you list
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Brethil
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Mar 24 2013, 12:01am
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Thanks!
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arithmancer
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Mar 25 2013, 1:17am
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Power of the Ring, worn or not....neat!
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Brethil
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Mar 23 2013, 3:14pm
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This is the best Explanation of Bombadil and Why the Ring does affect him I have ever seen
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axewielder
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Mar 26 2013, 3:55pm
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Greetings, axewielder, and thanks, this is a great read
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Brethil
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Mar 26 2013, 9:17pm
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(Elizabeth, Maciliel, Arithmancer, Otaku-Sempai, Silverlode, Curious G, ElendiltheShort, sauget.diblosio, Axewielder; I have loved reading and processing all the viewpoints you present.)
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Brethil
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Mar 26 2013, 10:38pm
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It's all in Letter 131
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 27 2013, 7:51am
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if the ring enhances the bearer's natural powers
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Maciliel
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Mar 27 2013, 11:27am
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The power to
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 27 2013, 11:40am
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The info in Letter 131
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 12:26pm
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Reply, lol.
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 3:12pm
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Good post
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 3:02pm
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But was Sauron completely confident of the Ring's dominance?
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 27 2013, 3:35pm
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I don't think we will ever know one way or the other for sure
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 3:44pm
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I think that Aragorn gave Sauron reason to worry...
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 27 2013, 3:49pm
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Palantir
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 4:01pm
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Sauron was beaten twice even when he had the Ring
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CuriousG
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Mar 27 2013, 5:21pm
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True, i feel this is similar to what i was saying though, lol.
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 5:58pm
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True, but even that sliver of a chance scared him
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 6:37pm
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Something i just wondered
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 6:45pm
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I vote for your option #2.//
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CuriousG
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Mar 27 2013, 7:12pm
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Sauron's ultimate end (?) and where does his fea go?
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 8:21pm
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I am not quite sure i understand
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 8:34pm
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Well there are a few hints, but...
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 8:53pm
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Fair enough :)
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 9:11pm
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Body or nobody
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CuriousG
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Mar 27 2013, 9:26pm
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Well he did bear it to Numenor with no body...
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 9:57pm
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Did he bear it with no body to Numenor?
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 11:26pm
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no longer take fair form
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Maciliel
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Mar 27 2013, 11:35pm
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Yeah exactly
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 11:42pm
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Yes, that's what I infer
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2013, 1:08am
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Ha, you are right - I got my logic wrong - that was all backwards.
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 11:55pm
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Yummy tacos, lol
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 12:15am
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The 'disembodied' possession is another odd idea....
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 12:24am
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Hope i am ok to do this!
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 12:32am
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I should say so, this is wonderful - I like the references
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 12:57am
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I wish Gollum told us the color of the other hand. I like knowing those kinds of details.//
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2013, 1:12am
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Me too!
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 1:25am
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That was not written by me btw, lol
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 1:20am
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I recall
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2013, 1:54am
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yeah that's what i mean
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 2:05am
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References to the Eye
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 2:11am
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The Eye then....
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 2:44am
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Yep :)
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 2:47am
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yes, this has always confused me
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Maciliel
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Mar 28 2013, 12:33am
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I don't think it's a stupid question but then i asked it as well, haha.
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 12:42am
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My first answer was a bit off, CG
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 12:17am
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Some worries Sauron had about Aragorn
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 6:29pm
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Actually Sauron IS already rather unhoused...
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 6:41pm
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Thanks, and so nice to see you here!
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Brethil
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Mar 27 2013, 6:22pm
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I agree with pretty much all this.
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imin
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Mar 27 2013, 6:59pm
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I am really interested in doors lately
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telain
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Mar 28 2013, 3:59pm
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So nice to see you Telain! I see you have been busy...!
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 4:29pm
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On Ents, Elves and Eriador
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Brethil
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Mar 29 2013, 3:07am
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excellent!
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telain
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Mar 30 2013, 2:02pm
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Great retrofitting!
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noWizardme
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Mar 30 2013, 3:36pm
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Hello! I found a nice quote about that 'retrofit' idea N-W-M
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Brethil
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Mar 30 2013, 3:56pm
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Great!
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noWizardme
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Mar 30 2013, 4:14pm
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I agree!
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Brethil
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Mar 30 2013, 4:23pm
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"our affectionate scrutiny "
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CuriousG
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Mar 30 2013, 6:27pm
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Glad you do CG! Thanks!
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Brethil
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Mar 30 2013, 11:04pm
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Like to talk more about how Tolkien mainatined consistency? (link to a new thread)
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noWizardme
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Mar 31 2013, 11:09am
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also see...
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noWizardme
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Mar 31 2013, 3:42pm
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Hmmm....interesting
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axewielder
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Mar 28 2013, 8:37pm
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About Tom, and the Ring on small folk
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Brethil
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Mar 29 2013, 2:56am
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All rings excluding the Three
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 29 2013, 4:10am
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True- I did not include the other Rings in the assessment.
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Brethil
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Mar 29 2013, 4:37am
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The disembodied Sauron taking the One Ring back to Middle Earth
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 30 2013, 3:01am
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Am chuckling a bit today over Letters
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Brethil
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Mar 29 2013, 2:57pm
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i just had this image of sam neill
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Maciliel
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Mar 30 2013, 3:19am
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Brian Blessed = Tom Bombadil
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 30 2013, 3:52am
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And then there is Mr.Blessed's voice...
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Brethil
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Mar 30 2013, 3:40pm
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Sam Neill - sweet picture Maciliel!
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Brethil
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Mar 30 2013, 3:29pm
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Tom as an enigma
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axewielder
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Apr 1 2013, 8:38pm
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One thing is certain
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CuriousG
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Apr 1 2013, 9:35pm
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Agreed
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Brethil
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Apr 2 2013, 4:02pm
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good thoughts
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axewielder
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Apr 2 2013, 4:59pm
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Tom's sort of peace is perhaps not achievable by Men- but needs Men to exist
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Brethil
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Apr 2 2013, 7:01pm
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Pacifism and nature
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CuriousG
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Apr 2 2013, 9:06pm
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All good points about Bombadil's motives, CG. Some questions back....
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Brethil
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Apr 2 2013, 10:12pm
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I certainly agree with that
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CuriousG
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Apr 3 2013, 1:59pm
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I think JRRT loved the simple life
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Brethil
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Apr 3 2013, 3:56pm
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Yes, Voltaire's Candide
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CuriousG
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Apr 3 2013, 6:04pm
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many mysteries surrounding the ring
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Maciliel
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Mar 23 2013, 12:59pm
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Ring sensing intent. That's what I feel
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Brethil
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Mar 23 2013, 2:44pm
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I think that a strong-willed individual can 'turn off'' the Ring's invisibility
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 23 2013, 8:11pm
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So invisibility is the realm in which the Ring has control....
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Brethil
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Mar 23 2013, 10:02pm
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Do you know any example of this other than Bombadil?
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Elizabeth
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Mar 24 2013, 12:13am
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Welll, I didn't cite Bombadil as an example...
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 24 2013, 12:34am
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Since no other being ever wore it...
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Silverlode
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Mar 24 2013, 4:14am
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Galadriel would be "beautiful and terrible"
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Elizabeth
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Mar 24 2013, 4:34am
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it's funny
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Maciliel
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Mar 24 2013, 4:41am
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Pretty girl with a ring
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CuriousG
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Mar 24 2013, 5:50am
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Nice point Maciliel!
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Brethil
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Mar 24 2013, 3:05pm
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Galadriel
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arithmancer
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Mar 25 2013, 1:02am
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arithmancer, your comments reflect my own thoughts
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 25 2013, 4:49am
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Regarding beauty.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 26 2013, 3:28pm
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Glorfindel could be seen by Frodo as a figure bright and clear
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 26 2013, 5:40pm
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re invisibility and dwarves
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Maciliel
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Mar 24 2013, 4:37am
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Wouldn't Sauron want to be invisible?
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CuriousG
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Mar 24 2013, 5:46am
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Yes, reversing who dwells in Spirit
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Brethil
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Mar 24 2013, 3:40pm
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You sum up a lot of what has puzzled me
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Brethil
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Mar 24 2013, 3:20pm
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Invisibility has nothing to do with spiritual stature
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 24 2013, 9:27am
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Part of my confusion was about the meaning of statue relating to invisibility
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Brethil
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Mar 24 2013, 3:45pm
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Please don't misunderstand my reply, Sauron was physically big and strong
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ElendilTheShort
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Mar 25 2013, 4:58am
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Well said !
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Brethil
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Mar 25 2013, 2:28pm
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Just to go back to the issue of the power(s) of the ring
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 2:57am
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i think one of the powers of the ring
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Maciliel
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Mar 28 2013, 3:04am
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Haha
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 3:06am
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she must be sauron
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Maciliel
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Mar 28 2013, 3:08am
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Well, do we cut off her finger, or rob her of power by duct-taping her mouth? //
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2013, 3:48am
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That's quite a pretty trinket
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 3:39am
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Haha the smiley face made me laugh!
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 3:52am
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I'm starting to wonder if it's easier to ask what its powers were not :)
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CuriousG
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Mar 28 2013, 3:38am
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I like your post CG
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 3:49am
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Good post
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imin
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Mar 28 2013, 4:01am
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Powers of the Ring
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Brethil
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Mar 28 2013, 2:48pm
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