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And answering Your questions

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Mar 24 2013, 10:40am


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Why does Melkor lust for the Silmarils?
If we take this description at face value - I would say jealousy, for this puny elf creating something that surpasses all of Melkor's own achievements.
Also, if we see Melkor as one who wants to control and manipulate the Elves, once he truly recognizes their greatest and finest work, he needs to possess it as a meaning of asserting control over them.

Doesn't Finwe seem weak and unaware, making him incompetent as a king?
Yes; although refusing to preceive the unpleasant truth is not the same as unawareness.
But he surely is weak. Consider for instance Fingolfin's speech to him, trying to stiffen up his father's backbone. Does Fingolfin seem respectful in any way? Not to me.

Why won't he restrain his son instead of leaving it to the Valar?
1. He probably can't.
2. He might agree with some of Feanor's words.
3. He might still be feeling guilty over the events described in the previous chapter.

And why does he forsake his duty to his people to reside with Feanor in exile?
See answer no. 2.

Shouldn't he feel conflicted over choosing Feanor (who's in the wrong) over his other two sons, wife, other grandchildren, and everyone in his kingdom?
He probably was conflicted, and (unlike the later recorder of the history) did not feel Feanor was entirely in the wrong.
Also see the next answer.

Is it his fault Feanor is a spoiled brat who's out of control?
To a certain extent, yes.
Which might be another reason for the self-imposed exile - perhaps he felt guilt?

The Noldor are "the Deep Elves." So why do they fall so easily for Melkor's lies?

Being deep is no guarantee. Didn't Heidegger himself fall (to an uncertain extent) for Hitler?

Or does Melkor have a power in his voice like Saruman does, so rational thought has nothing to do with this?
The power of Saruman's voice was in its being rational, so that people felt wise by agreeing. I can easily see the Noldor (like many intellectuals) falling for this trap.

Does anyone else find this line nearly Biblical?

Yes. I am sure this is no coincidence.

What do you think of the ethics of creation in this chapter regarding Feanor's feelings about the Silmarils?

At least at first, I don't think there was a problem with them.
This is, of course, all the more frightening: one can start with the purest intentions (after all, Varda did hallow them and Feanor wore them afterwards unscathed) and come to extreme possessiveness.

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**Silmarillion Discussion Chapter 7: Of The Silmirals and the Unrest of the Noldor elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Mar 18 2013, 4:48pm
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 18 2013, 7:08pm
    Thoughts on Ch 7, Feanor and Family Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 19 2013, 8:34pm
    a few thoughts telain Send a private message to telain Mar 21 2013, 5:21pm
    maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 21 2013, 10:57pm
    Answers and more questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 24 2013, 3:24am
        And answering Your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 10:40am
            More questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:59am
                maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:21am
                    "Smart people don't start many bar fights. But stupid people don't build many hydrogen bombs." noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 2:27pm
                oh, good question telain Send a private message to telain Mar 27 2013, 12:22pm
                Deep Elves elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Mar 27 2013, 10:48pm
                    Problems of creation playing out on a new level noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 4:10pm
        Silmarils and creation ethic Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 26 2013, 7:35pm
            Great insights, Brethil CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:46am
                Great post CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 8:37pm
        interesting, curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:41am
    Answering your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 9:27am
        Just to note that discussion of the next chapter has started noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 9 2013, 11:24am
            very thoughtful addition Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 9 2013, 2:04pm

 
 
 

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