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CuriousG
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Mar 24 2013, 3:24am


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Thanks for the great post, Elevorn!

What do you think was Feanorís purpose for creating such Jewels?
I like Tolkien's suggestion that possibly he had some unconscious warning that the Two Trees would be killed, and he was trying to preserve their light for the world. But I think it more likely that he was competitive and saw the Two Trees as one of the most magnificent works in Valinor, and he wanted to rival it with his own.

Do you think this is the point of Feanorís marriage to where he becomes estranged from him? Is Feanorís desire for his own works what causes Nerdanel to fade out of the story?
He seems so self-centered, my thought on their marriage is that he was charming at first to get his girl, and she at first looked for the best in him, but they were never really close, even when making seven sons together (and possibly some unlisted daughters).

If you had to choose a blacksmith who would you want making your swords and armor? Telchar? Feanor? Mahtan? Someone else?
Aule!

Was it part of Melkorís plan for the Elves to arm themselves? Do you think this could have been a somewhat fatal flaw in his design?
Yes, I definitely think so. He wanted them to kill each other. I doubt he ever thought they would pose any threat to him.

What are your thoughts on Feanor? Is he a troubled genius or mad scientist? Is there a deeper seated issue with him, like a problem of fatherly love, or is he a tortured artist of sorts who just cannot be happy with anything save the work of his own hands?
I think all of the things you listed. He's mightily complex, and the contributing factors to his personality spread out and down like the roots of a tree. Most of all I would say he is childish. His feelings are easily hurt, he doesn't want to share anything with anyone, he doesn't care about others' feelings, he doesn't like authority, and he thinks the world is out to get him. What I wonder is how singular he is. Are there other troubled Elves in Valinor, or is he the only one? But aside from that, I have to admire his skill in creation, and he's clearly intelligent and a hard worker, plus bold and brave.

With such a hotheaded brother, why do Finarfin and Fingolfin find it necessary to take his side? Family is family, but can they not see that something bad is happening? Is there friendship a good or bad thing at this point?
I think they represent the normal virtue among Elves, at least in Valinor. Fingolfin is proud and strong but willing to make amends as a good person should. I wonder if Feanor sees Fingolfin's willingness to forgive him as a kindness or a weakness?

Some questions of my own:

Why does Melkor lust for the Silmarils? He doesn't just admire them or think they're pretty, he seems obsessed over them, among all the things in Valinor--why?

Doesn't Finwe seem weak and unaware, making him incompetent as a king?
There's unrest among the Noldor with Feanor openly speaking out against the Valar, and Finwe seems to belatedly summon a counsel to try to figure it out. Then Feanor threatens Fingolfin in front of Finwe, and still Finwe does nothing. Why won't he restrain his son instead of leaving it to the Valar? And why does he forsake his duty to his people to reside with Feanor in exile? Shouldn't he feel conflicted over choosing Feanor (who's in the wrong) over his other two sons, wife, other grandchildren, and everyone in his kingdom? Is it his fault Feanor is a spoiled brat who's out of control?

The Noldor are "the Deep Elves." So why do they fall so easily for Melkor's lies? Or does Melkor have a power in his voice like Saruman does, so rational thought has nothing to do with this?

Does anyone else find this line nearly Biblical?
"But he that sows lies in the end shall not lack of a harvest, and soon he may rest from toil indeed while others reap and sow in his stead."

In the chapter "Of Aule and Yavanna," PhantomS made this excellent comment: "
The chapter is entirely about creating and the ethics of doing so." What do you think of the ethics of creation in this chapter regarding Feanor's feelings about the Silmarils?



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**Silmarillion Discussion Chapter 7: Of The Silmirals and the Unrest of the Noldor elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Mar 18 2013, 4:48pm
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 18 2013, 7:08pm
    Thoughts on Ch 7, Feanor and Family Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 19 2013, 8:34pm
    a few thoughts telain Send a private message to telain Mar 21 2013, 5:21pm
    maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 21 2013, 10:57pm
    Answers and more questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 24 2013, 3:24am
        And answering Your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 10:40am
            More questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:59am
                maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:21am
                    "Smart people don't start many bar fights. But stupid people don't build many hydrogen bombs." noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 2:27pm
                oh, good question telain Send a private message to telain Mar 27 2013, 12:22pm
                Deep Elves elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Mar 27 2013, 10:48pm
                    Problems of creation playing out on a new level noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 4:10pm
        Silmarils and creation ethic Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 26 2013, 7:35pm
            Great insights, Brethil CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:46am
                Great post CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 8:37pm
        interesting, curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:41am
    Answering your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 9:27am
        Just to note that discussion of the next chapter has started noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 9 2013, 11:24am
            very thoughtful addition Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 9 2013, 2:04pm

 
 
 

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