|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 22 2013, 5:22pm
Views: 342
Shortcut
|
It simply quoted your original statement
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
Which I thought was hilarious. In any event, I'm not particularly concerned about what "lay viewers" (you really do crack me up) think about whether Galadriel is Gandalf's superior or not. People get the level of detail that they are willing to get. People who only watch the films are going to get a superficial understanding of the secondary world "subcreated" by Tolkien, no matter what. People who only read LotR and The Hobbit, but nothing else, will have somewhat of a greater understanding. People who look deeper, will have a deeper understanding. That's just the way it is. I'm pleased to see Gandalf portrayed as helping to inspire the denizens of Middle-earth to fight the rising tide of evil, and to do so in a way that is morally upright. The scene where Gandalf presents Sting to Bilbo is far from being "canon", and Bilbo shouldn't necessarily need to have Gandalf plant the seed the sprouts into his sparing Gollum out of Pity, but I'm very glad to have that scene nonetheless, because it presents the Gandalf that I care about, far more than his pyrotechnics in the Goblin cave (although I like that, as well).
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.' The Hall of Fire
|
|
|
Subject
|
User
|
Time
|
Reminder of how troubling this Gandalf as a sub-agent of Galadriel is.
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 21 2013, 2:50am
|
It's a flaw in the film
|
MorgolKing
|
Mar 21 2013, 3:10am
|
God save me from the anger/frustration at willful erroneousness anyeurysm i feel coming on.
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 21 2013, 4:17am
|
agreed
|
Maciliel
|
Mar 21 2013, 3:12am
|
"tickled as teenagers"
|
Voronwë_the_Faithful
|
Mar 21 2013, 3:37am
|
It was slightly more blue,
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 21 2013, 4:14am
|
I know
|
Voronwë_the_Faithful
|
Mar 21 2013, 12:54pm
|
*chuckles*
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 5:08pm
|
It simply quoted your original statement
|
Voronwë_the_Faithful
|
Mar 22 2013, 5:22pm
|
*smiling*
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 5:30pm
|
Gandalf's boss
|
Cirashala
|
Mar 21 2013, 5:07am
|
Agreed about Saruman
|
Salmacis81
|
Mar 21 2013, 4:17pm
|
I'm hoping that the White Council
|
sauget.diblosio
|
Mar 21 2013, 4:28pm
|
Totally agree
|
Salmacis81
|
Mar 21 2013, 5:03pm
|
Agree with much of what you say here, however
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 4:51pm
|
lol is it really that bad?
|
lurtz2010
|
Mar 21 2013, 6:42am
|
It was only one chest. And it still smells of Troll
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 4:53pm
|
I still think...
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 7:13am
|
This
|
dormouse
|
Mar 21 2013, 8:46am
|
And what I would like to add..
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 9:08am
|
Agreed...
|
bborchar
|
Mar 21 2013, 1:12pm
|
Elrond's comment
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 1:51pm
|
I fear you all are missing the entire concern of the message. I am not under the
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 4:48pm
|
I don't think anyone's missing it, AO
|
dormouse
|
Mar 22 2013, 5:16pm
|
Well, doormouse, I suppose we have often enough disagreed about how accurately
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 5:27pm
|
A penny for my thought
|
Elessar
|
Mar 21 2013, 2:20pm
|
This...
|
Rostron2
|
Mar 21 2013, 6:20pm
|
This was never stated as such in the film.
|
sauget.diblosio
|
Mar 21 2013, 9:17am
|
I don't see what the fuss is about either.
|
axecrazy
|
Mar 21 2013, 9:39am
|
And he is quite successful...
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 9:49am
|
Elrond's comment directly implies Gandalf is answerable to who they are about to meet, and that happens to be Galadriel.
|
ElendilTheShort
|
Mar 21 2013, 9:52am
|
Well...
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 10:07am
|
I'd say as others have the audience opinion is clearly divided.
|
ElendilTheShort
|
Mar 21 2013, 11:05am
|
No no...
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 12:06pm
|
" I dont believe Thorin Oakenshield
|
Lusitano
|
Mar 21 2013, 1:58pm
|
I disagree
|
DanielLB
|
Mar 21 2013, 2:04pm
|
Even if only Galadriel is meant...
|
Arannir
|
Mar 21 2013, 2:07pm
|
While I think you are right...
|
Salmacis81
|
Mar 21 2013, 5:11pm
|
Galadriel on her little turn table, lol
|
imin
|
Mar 21 2013, 5:18pm
|
Same here
|
Salmacis81
|
Mar 21 2013, 6:05pm
|
I Thought She Was
|
IdrilofGondolin
|
Mar 21 2013, 10:28pm
|
tell me about it,
|
Elenorflower
|
Mar 22 2013, 12:21am
|
Intro to Galadriel
|
Elessar
|
Mar 22 2013, 12:41am
|
Not even a tinsy winsy bit funny? lol //
|
imin
|
Mar 22 2013, 12:49am
|
Not for me anyways lol
|
Elessar
|
Mar 22 2013, 12:58am
|
Fair enough :)
|
imin
|
Mar 22 2013, 1:10am
|
Sounds like it
|
Elessar
|
Mar 22 2013, 1:25am
|
Sacrilege! /
|
DanielLB
|
Mar 22 2013, 8:43am
|
I agree...
|
Arannir
|
Mar 22 2013, 8:45am
|
That she was
|
Elessar
|
Mar 22 2013, 11:03am
|
It did crack me up as well.
|
Arannir
|
Mar 22 2013, 12:28pm
|
That's a good point.
|
Elessar
|
Mar 22 2013, 12:56pm
|
Mislead?
|
DanielLB
|
Mar 21 2013, 5:23pm
|
Well, by "mislead"....
|
Salmacis81
|
Mar 21 2013, 6:00pm
|
EXACTLY this. Everything, exactly.
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 22 2013, 4:58pm
|
I agree with Arannir below. But also ...
|
DanielLB
|
Mar 21 2013, 9:49am
|
Perhaps it's just me
|
FarFromHome
|
Mar 21 2013, 1:49pm
|
I think you have nailed it with this explanation
|
imin
|
Mar 21 2013, 2:08pm
|
If it is classic movie misdirection then it is as bad as Thorin's fake grump, grump...ok lets hug at the end.
|
ElendilTheShort
|
Mar 21 2013, 11:02pm
|
This
|
axecrazy
|
Mar 21 2013, 3:48pm
|
Yes and a bit more
|
Michelle Johnston
|
Mar 21 2013, 4:01pm
|
I agree, from what I recall of the scene, it appears to be a
|
Eruonen
|
Mar 21 2013, 6:29pm
|
Perhaps
|
axecrazy
|
Mar 21 2013, 7:09pm
|
Boyens' and Walsh's intentions are very clear
|
Nightwing
|
Mar 21 2013, 11:56pm
|
Candor
|
JWPlatt
|
Mar 22 2013, 1:13am
|
Their actions with respect to the storyline film adaptation
|
ElendilTheShort
|
Mar 22 2013, 1:40am
|
To whom?
|
axecrazy
|
Mar 22 2013, 7:02am
|
Don't you think you are overdoing it a little bit with your Walsh/Boyens Campaign?
|
Arannir
|
Mar 22 2013, 7:58am
|
Unfortunately
|
Radagast-Aiwendil
|
Mar 22 2013, 6:55pm
|
Oh, please do, Radagast, I will happily sign on. Not in disrespect or disregard of
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 23 2013, 6:22am
|
They might be of equal power,
|
sauget.diblosio
|
Mar 23 2013, 1:38pm
|
I understand your meaning, but the problem here is that they have directly implied
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 23 2013, 6:18pm
|
I was a bit perplexed by the whole dynamic
|
Elenorflower
|
Mar 23 2013, 6:29pm
|
I think this is because
|
sauget.diblosio
|
Mar 23 2013, 7:09pm
|
The dynamics of the White Council
|
Otaku-sempai
|
Mar 23 2013, 10:35pm
|
If i had one complaint about the White Council
|
sauget.diblosio
|
Mar 23 2013, 11:55pm
|
Yes...
|
Otaku-sempai
|
Mar 24 2013, 12:02am
|
I certainly wish we had seen Cirdan and Glorfindel at the least
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 24 2013, 12:42am
|
Gandalf actually deffered because he was not willing to be directly
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 24 2013, 12:44am
|
Point taken concerning Gandalf...
|
Otaku-sempai
|
Mar 24 2013, 12:49am
|
i just didnt much
|
Elenorflower
|
Mar 24 2013, 1:01am
|
I agree in part. I think they went a tad far in making him seem
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 24 2013, 2:55am
|
True indeed.
|
AinurOlorin
|
Mar 24 2013, 2:49am
|
Yeah, i see what you're saying--
|
sauget.diblosio
|
Mar 23 2013, 6:39pm
|
|
|
|