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Mar 21 2013, 10:57pm

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maciliel-thoughts [In reply to] Can't Post

What do you think was Feanorís purpose for creating such Jewels?
i don't think he had a purpose. i think he had an artistic vision, and an undeniable calling to bring his vision into reality. anyone who has been struck by the muse (i mean, really clocked on the head), is probably familiar with this feeling. it's almost a physical urge to +do+ the thing (paint, write, whatever). it's something inside you that won't let go of you. and you do it until it's done.

Do you think this is the point of Feanorís marriage to where he becomes estranged from him? Is Feanorís desire for his own works what causes Nerdanel to fade out of the story?
No, i don't think the creation of the Silmarils and his estrangement from Nernandel are connected. They've probably been growing apart for a while, though. I wonder if she started entertaining doubts when she saw the weapons being forged. She was probably repelled by his assault on his half-brother. More than anyone, she was probably most aware of his fey nature, and the chances that this might bring him to ruin.

one of the most wonderful (and sad) things i've read recently is the passage that describes what tolkien's original vision was for nernandel (she was the one who taught feanor so much), and how christopher tolkien just refused to admit his father's vision of her into the silmarilion, leaving her to just be, "the wife." very sad. she seemed to be a rich character, especially for the silmarillion, which provides less personal detail than many (including me) would like.

i think their final break would have been the kinslaying (if she retained any hope of reuniting with him after he vowed to go to middle-earth).

If you had to choose a blacksmith who would you want making your swords and armor? Telchar? Feanor? Mahtan? Someone else?
interesting question. telchar made glamdring and orcrist. eol would also be a worthy swordsmith. feanor's work would be brilliant. i'm rather undecided, but if i had to pick, i think i'd pick telchar, out of reservations that something made by the hand of feanor might retain some bad vibes.

Was it part of Melkorís plan for the Elves to arm themselves? Do you think this could have been a somewhat fatal flaw in his design?
likely. i think he would have loved to see the kinslaying expanded to epic levels. not a fatal flaw at all. despite their arms, they could ultimately not withstand the power of a vala, which was also said by ulmo (iirc).

What are your thoughts on Feanor? Is he a troubled genius or mad scientist? Is there a deeper seated issue with him, like a problem of fatherly love, or is he a tortured artist of sorts who just cannot be happy with anything save the work of his own hands?
i think he's someone who willfully turned from the love of his fellow beings for the love of creating his own wonders. yes, an artist. but also with narcissistic tendencies. you don't have to suffer to create great art. the artist clan (of which i am one, so i cast no aspersions) has quite a large subdivision of folks who are so in love with themselves and their work that they think it excuses their bad behavior.

for all his great achievements, and ability to control his hand and mind when it came to creating +things+, it is paradoxical that feanor was all-thumbs when it came to relationships with people. and it is not because he had not the native skill. it was just a skill he did not value, and refused to learn, because he just did not value people. i think it entirely probable that he looked upon his sons as extensions of himself. many powerful, controlling types do.

i certainly do have great pity for his early life. he was probably not the only elf to lose a parent (don't forget, the servants of morgoth had been hunting elves since they awoke), but as much as anyone else, he deserved to have both his parents. perhaps part of his difficulty in valuing others is the fact that his mother essentially abandoned him. trust and intimacy seem to be difficult for him.

With such a hotheaded brother, why do Finarfin and Fingolfin find it necessary to take his side? Family is family, but can they not see that something bad is happening? Is there friendship a good or bad thing at this point?
partly, they probably saw the deep love finwe had for feanor, and wanted to respect that love through their actions. i think they probably are a lot more forgiving and hopeful by nature, and perhaps they haven't given up on having some sort of brotherly relationship.

cheers --


aka. fili orc-enshield
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Mar 21 2013, 11:01pm)

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**Silmarillion Discussion Chapter 7: Of The Silmirals and the Unrest of the Noldor elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Mar 18 2013, 4:48pm
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 18 2013, 7:08pm
    Thoughts on Ch 7, Feanor and Family Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 19 2013, 8:34pm
    a few thoughts telain Send a private message to telain Mar 21 2013, 5:21pm
    maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 21 2013, 10:57pm
    Answers and more questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 24 2013, 3:24am
        And answering Your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 10:40am
            More questions CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:59am
                maciliel-thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:21am
                    "Smart people don't start many bar fights. But stupid people don't build many hydrogen bombs." noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 31 2013, 2:27pm
                oh, good question telain Send a private message to telain Mar 27 2013, 12:22pm
                Deep Elves elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Mar 27 2013, 10:48pm
                    Problems of creation playing out on a new level noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 4:10pm
        Silmarils and creation ethic Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 26 2013, 7:35pm
            Great insights, Brethil CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 27 2013, 12:46am
                Great post CG Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 27 2013, 8:37pm
        interesting, curiousg Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 27 2013, 3:41am
    Answering your questions sador Send a private message to sador Mar 24 2013, 9:27am
        Just to note that discussion of the next chapter has started noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 9 2013, 11:24am
            very thoughtful addition Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Apr 9 2013, 2:04pm


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