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how well do we really know Melkor?

telain
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Mar 16 2013, 11:02pm


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I can't believe how fast time is flying -- and I assure you it is no "noontide in Valinor" around here!

I find everyone's response to how Melkor might have endured his confinement so divergent and therefore so very interesting. Some posters feel it was "a piece of cake" for Melkor (Maciliel and Finwe), while others felt it would have been especially unbearable for someone as active and meddlesome as Melkor appears to have been (Brethil). Not to mention the idea (and image) of Melkor arm-wrestling with Tulkas to pass the time! (CuriousG)

I guess the truth is we really don't enough about Melkor yet to say definitively one way or the other. Put the above range of responses against an almost unanimous understanding of Nienna's compassion. Even though we know comparatively little about her -- but perhaps what we know about her is important to answering questions about her character? The truth is, Melkor hid himself from the world for a while, and was forcibly hidden from the world for an even longer while, and we just don't know much about him apart from the fact that he is intensely and destructively envious and hateful -- but even this doesn't give a terribly good clue to why he takes credit for Feanor's skill (though I think we came up with some very good and reasonable answers to that one!). Maybe I'm not so upset with Manwe for not completely understanding what Melkor had become...

However, most of us also thought that leaving him alone to "gnaw the ends of his old plots" was probably the wrong move. Since many of the Valar did not live extensively with the creatures of Middle-earth (sullied by Melkor), they simply had no way of understanding him or his intentions (save Ulmo and Tulkas, apparently). This I find really fascinating! I have always envisioned the Valar as so knowing, so capable, but now I have a sense that many/most of them at this noontide of Valinor were perhaps a bit naive. Anyone else think so?

I also think it is interesting that Melkor really was the instrument of his own downfall. He allowed a reprimand for playing the Music out of tune and a dismissal from Varda cloud his vision of who he was -- a rather supreme being, and surely one capable of making the right decision... which leads me to bring up one of the newer posts about the Fate of Men...

Is Melkor some extraordinary example of the choice humans face in Tolkien's Middle-earth (i.e., to be "evil")? Is this part of Eru's plan all along? (If so, how?)

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Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "...and the Unchaining of Melkor" 2 of 2 telain Send a private message to telain Mar 11 2013, 4:42pm
    Unleashing the beast CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 13 2013, 5:55pm
        how well do we really know Melkor? telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:02pm
            Melkor Choice and naivete of the Valar Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 17 2013, 1:38am
                Melkor's dark music and Nienna's healing telain Send a private message to telain Mar 17 2013, 11:34pm
                    Pride and pity CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 18 2013, 12:49am
                        I get your thoughts CG! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 1:19am
                    Some thoughts on Nienna and Olorin and pity Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 1:12am
                        I'm always learning something new here CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 18 2013, 2:04am
                            Clueless? Hardly! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 3:15am
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 14 2013, 7:07pm
        how did Aule get in this chapter? Oh, yes... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:39pm
            The whole "Knowledge- good or bad?" question elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 17 2013, 10:28am
    my thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 12:30am
        Free will Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 16 2013, 4:40am
            then how does this apply to the gift of men? Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 11:09am
                It's not easy for us Mortals to see it as a gift, is it? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 3:45pm
                    as you've described it.. Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 4:06pm
                        Scratching head, flipping though text- Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 4:49pm
                            I think the "gift" is not connected to "free will". Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 16 2013, 9:40pm
                                Did not intend to imply control Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 10:13pm
        Feanor is a pit of smouldering coals... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:52pm
    Hello all, my first post about Sil, but I have been following :) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 2:01am
    Late answers sador Send a private message to sador Mar 18 2013, 7:35am

 
 
 

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