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It's not easy for us Mortals to see it as a gift, is it?

Brethil
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Mar 16 2013, 3:45pm


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one of the things that i have read regarding mortality / the gift of men is that it is linked to the ability to command one's fate. if all races have free will, where does that leave the gift of men?

i have found the GoM to be damnably confusing.

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[Going on a limb here - hope this is right, its just how I see it-]
I know!!!!
Especially when to be one of Tolien's Elves seems so intoxicating...difficult for us, having imagined Immortality, to see mortality as a gjft. But in Tolkien's universe its a huge component of Men's free will, because of the Gift they can act as they choose: either in harmony with ancient Arda and the Music, simply choose to go their own way unrelated to it or decide to live in sharp defiance to it, or even work against it. Thus they have even more "will" than the Firstborn. They can achieve higher heights OR choose to sink to darker lows, but it is CHOICE. So as far as their time in the World they can utterly and completely choose their own fates. They also are given the option to leave the circles of the world before they are tired and weary in spirit (like Bilbo feeling thin and stretched) - to an unknown reward, potentially happier than waiting about in the halls of Mandos or wandering Arda, even hanging about Valinor. So its like a balanced quality versus quantity equation: Men have the option to live richly, passionately, change the world to their desires, but their time is limited. Whereas Elves are limited by the Song, live in beauty within the restrictions of the Song with less fire and passion, but have so much time.
As far as what lies beyond the circles for men's spirits, maybe that's the most difficult thing for me personally to understand - how or what would be 'better', because Valinor seems so perfect. Maybe something more suited to Men's spirits.

Hell hath no fury like a Dragon who is missing a cup.

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Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "...and the Unchaining of Melkor" 2 of 2 telain Send a private message to telain Mar 11 2013, 4:42pm
    Unleashing the beast CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 13 2013, 5:55pm
        how well do we really know Melkor? telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:02pm
            Melkor Choice and naivete of the Valar Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 17 2013, 1:38am
                Melkor's dark music and Nienna's healing telain Send a private message to telain Mar 17 2013, 11:34pm
                    Pride and pity CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 18 2013, 12:49am
                        I get your thoughts CG! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 1:19am
                    Some thoughts on Nienna and Olorin and pity Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 1:12am
                        I'm always learning something new here CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 18 2013, 2:04am
                            Clueless? Hardly! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 18 2013, 3:15am
    My thoughts Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 14 2013, 7:07pm
        how did Aule get in this chapter? Oh, yes... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:39pm
            The whole "Knowledge- good or bad?" question elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 17 2013, 10:28am
    my thoughts Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 12:30am
        Free will Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 16 2013, 4:40am
            then how does this apply to the gift of men? Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 11:09am
                It's not easy for us Mortals to see it as a gift, is it? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 3:45pm
                    as you've described it.. Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Mar 16 2013, 4:06pm
                        Scratching head, flipping though text- Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 4:49pm
                            I think the "gift" is not connected to "free will". Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 16 2013, 9:40pm
                                Did not intend to imply control Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 10:13pm
        Feanor is a pit of smouldering coals... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 16 2013, 11:52pm
    Hello all, my first post about Sil, but I have been following :) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 16 2013, 2:01am
    Late answers sador Send a private message to sador Mar 18 2013, 7:35am

 
 
 

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