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Alas that I am on holiday...

Ardamírë
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Mar 9 2013, 4:29am


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I'm staying with relatives for the weekend and don't have my books with me! It's especially sad because we're at one of my favorite stories - Finwe and Miriel. Hers is one of the most fascinating stories in the whole legendarium, but all too briefly told in The Silmarillion as published. Have you read any of HoME? Her story is more fully told there, and I will do what I can to remember it while answering these.

2. Tolkien actually does say in The Hobbit that happy times are harder to recount or write about than the exciting/adventurous times. It's in chapter 3 somewhere. So, yes to that, but I also think that what he's saying here is slightly different. I think he's saying that the time period of blessedness was too brief (even though it was long), not that the memory itself is brief.

3. Oh goodness, I cannot remember, but I do think she was a Noldo. She was, as you say, Ţerinde: the broideress. In fact, her ultimate fate is to weave tapestries of the tales of her kin. Of hair color - if she really were a Noldo as I believe, that would naturally make her dark-haired, and I don't see it as a stretch to see her as a short woman, or at least small or petite. Of her character it is said that once she made up her mind she would stick to it. I think it's described as "making it a doom" unto her self.

4. At some point doesn't Tolkien describe the birth in such a way as saying that much of Miriel's spirit was consumed in the delivery of Feanor? I do know that he says that when she was delivered she "yearned for release from the labour of living." The childbirth didn't actually result in her death, but it so exhausted her that she wanted out of her body. Eventually, she lays down in the garden of Lorien and her spirit passes to the Halls of Mandos. If you think this death is contrary to the idea of the Blessed Realm, you would be right. Tolkien wrote an account of a whole debate between the Valar about this whole ordeal. While the story might seem like a cop-out in the abbreviated version, it's actually a fascinating read in HoME. It's obvious that Tolkien put a great deal of thought into it.

7. I don't at all fault Finwe for wishing to remarry, at least, not any more than I do Miriel for refusing to return to bodily life. I mean, we're talking about thousands and thousands of years of living without your wife. That's an awfully long time if you as me.

Great discussion so far! Looking forward to getting more and more into it (hopefully with books next time Wink).

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).

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Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "Of Feanor..." 1 of 2 telain Send a private message to telain Mar 8 2013, 8:46pm
    Alas that I am on holiday... Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 9 2013, 4:29am
        I didn't include HoME... telain Send a private message to telain Mar 10 2013, 11:51pm
            Míriel Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 12 2013, 3:57am
                Wow, many thanks, Ardamire CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 12 2013, 10:33pm
                    It was my pleasure! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 12 2013, 10:56pm
                        I absolutely agree with CuriousG -- thank you! telain Send a private message to telain Mar 12 2013, 11:07pm
                            Finwe and Miriel detailed Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 12 2013, 11:42pm
                                All the same CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 13 2013, 12:43am
                                    Reissue Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 13 2013, 12:51am
                                        count me in, too! telain Send a private message to telain Mar 13 2013, 1:21am
                                            Critique Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 13 2013, 2:09am
                                                For those who may be interested in delving deeper into the story of Finwë and Míriel Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Mar 13 2013, 9:51pm
                    homely Miriel and party-girl Indis, no more! telain Send a private message to telain Mar 13 2013, 1:13am
                Great info Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 13 2013, 5:46pm
                    Thanks, Finwe! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 13 2013, 6:18pm
    Excerpt from Arda Reconstructed Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Mar 9 2013, 8:06pm
        Thank you Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Mar 9 2013, 10:49pm
        and thank you again! telain Send a private message to telain Mar 11 2013, 12:11am
        Another thank you CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 11 2013, 10:55pm
            The daughters of Indis Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 13 2013, 2:06am
    Personality development: nature, nurture, or fate? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 11 2013, 11:41pm
        did Valinor have daylight savings time? telain Send a private message to telain Mar 14 2013, 1:20am
    Unbelievable Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 13 2013, 8:23pm
        2 bits of advice CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 13 2013, 10:12pm
            Thanks for the advice./// Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 14 2013, 5:57pm
        definitely "going with it"! telain Send a private message to telain Mar 14 2013, 1:30am
            Don't feel sheepish Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Mar 14 2013, 5:58pm
    Coming after the party is over... sador Send a private message to sador Mar 14 2013, 4:04pm
        Unhappy in paradise noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 30 2013, 2:46pm

 
 
 

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