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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Mar 7 2013, 8:20pm
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Did you throw up a little in your mouth (I think Dwalin did), or wipe a tear from your eye? Did you have the moment spoiled by seeing a TV spot or hearing about it beforehand? Did your impression change as you saw the scene multiple times? I really appreciate how that scene is set up. All the dwarves are on one end of the rock, with Gandalf to the side, and Bilbo is by himself on the other end—“no place amongst us” all over again. I also like Gandalf’s sidelong, wary look, as if he is ready to intervene if necessary. I personally hadn’t had the moment spoiled for me so it was a complete surprise. In fact, knowing Thorin’s antics at the end of the book, I found his angry speech pretty much in character and I started getting nervous about what he was going to do. At the hug I had two simultaneous reactions: My mind said, You have got to be kidding me. This is ridiculous. Did Thorin sustain some brain damage? He would never hug someone in public, much less apologize. Why don’t we have a sunset instead of a sunrise here and be done with it?! My heart was saying, Awwww! They’re finally friends! Warm fuzzies, rainbows, and puppies! They lived happily ever after, and I can go home happy too! I might possibly have even been humming. I’d love to hear your reactions to that scene. This whole film seems to have controversial moments... maybe that's the point, a good tale gets us thinking. I rather agree with you: "wha'???? You've got to be joking?!?!?!" followed by "D'awwwwwwwwwwwww, rainbows and kittens, Bilbo is made of kittens." Perhaps fierce kittens you'd pet from the inside. I give the actors credit for making what would have been an awful cliche' with lesser actors, a believable scene. And I know people just like Thorin. Yup. It's what they'd do. And one more thing... Having been Elf-centric since my fandom began in 1978, I was convinced Dwarves were these stout stoic grumpy little warriors... ...it's so wonderful to see them fleshed out into real people. With real emotions. I LOVE THEM!
Go outside and play...
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At your first viewing, what was your impression of Thorin's angry speech/hug/apology at the end?
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Riven Delve
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Mar 7 2013, 12:36pm
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Have a look at this thread from a few weeks ago
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Brethil
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Mar 7 2013, 12:44pm
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Missed that
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Riven Delve
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Mar 7 2013, 12:52pm
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I loved it
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Glorfindela
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Mar 7 2013, 12:50pm
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You've opened a real can of worms here Riven Delve!
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elaen32
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Mar 7 2013, 12:52pm
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I liked the scene
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Angharad73
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Mar 7 2013, 1:17pm
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I liked it, a lot.
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arithmancer
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Mar 7 2013, 1:33pm
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Thorin's anger
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Riven Delve
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Mar 7 2013, 5:40pm
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Agreed, Riven Delve
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Brethil
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Mar 7 2013, 6:34pm
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I'm a very hard woman.
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ShireHorse
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Mar 7 2013, 1:35pm
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In addition Shirehorse
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Brethil
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Mar 7 2013, 1:43pm
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Hope
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Riven Delve
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Mar 8 2013, 12:46am
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Watch for it on DVD
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Brethil
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Mar 8 2013, 12:53am
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reaction
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marillaraina
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Mar 8 2013, 1:51am
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Same!
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 8 2013, 1:43am
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Thorin hug = Sam's speech
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Arannir
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Mar 7 2013, 1:54pm
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Good God... No! Just no!
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xxxyyy
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Mar 7 2013, 3:23pm
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Just shows...
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Arannir
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Mar 7 2013, 3:37pm
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...one person's cheese is another's fondue? ;-) //
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dernwyn
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Mar 7 2013, 4:58pm
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LOL! Well put!
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Old Toby
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Mar 7 2013, 5:00pm
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Haha so true!
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imin
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Mar 7 2013, 5:10pm
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More bread please!
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 7 2013, 5:34pm
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*gets out fondue forks*
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Roheryn
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Mar 8 2013, 10:15am
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I loved it
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DanielLB
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Mar 7 2013, 2:04pm
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Still it is a cliche! no getting around that.
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imin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:04pm
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It's more cliché calling the scene cliché, than it is actually a cliché. ;-)
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DanielLB
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Mar 7 2013, 4:45pm
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A cliche' in the real world doesn't count.
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xxxyyy
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Mar 9 2013, 5:03pm
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Loved it as well.
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Elessar
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Mar 7 2013, 4:05pm
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my first impression...
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andwise
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Mar 7 2013, 2:58pm
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Strongly disliked it
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imin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:03pm
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Hate To Say It But I Agree
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DiveTwin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:27pm
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Dwalin
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Riven Delve
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Mar 7 2013, 4:09pm
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I didn't like the music
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Mar 7 2013, 3:21pm
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I agree
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 7 2013, 3:40pm
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What was Shore's original music for it? //
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imin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:44pm
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I meant
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 7 2013, 3:55pm
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Oh sorry i misunderstood you
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imin
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Mar 7 2013, 4:00pm
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I really wish he had
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 7 2013, 4:25pm
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I loved it!
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Old Toby
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Mar 7 2013, 4:04pm
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I was spoiled
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Marionette
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Mar 7 2013, 4:40pm
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Reminded me of Gimli and Aragorn at Helm's Deep -
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SirDennisC
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Mar 7 2013, 4:56pm
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That felt
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Lusitano
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Mar 7 2013, 5:42pm
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Martin's reaction saves it.
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Ataahua
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Mar 7 2013, 6:09pm
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Jarring
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Riven Delve
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Mar 7 2013, 7:21pm
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Keep in mind the time-stop element
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Brethil
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Mar 7 2013, 7:49pm
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Good point! //
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Riven Delve
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Mar 7 2013, 7:55pm
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Rationalizations
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 8:00pm
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From my view, I feel it is logical and appropriate
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Brethil
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Mar 7 2013, 8:31pm
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The Hand of Gandalf
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 8:42pm
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Exactly that.
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Ataahua
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Mar 7 2013, 7:59pm
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I thought it was fine
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TheSexyBeard
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Mar 7 2013, 6:19pm
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I really liked it
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IDLookout
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Mar 7 2013, 6:36pm
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The Anger Hug Is Comedic Cliché
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 7:50pm
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Very well
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Lusitano
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Mar 7 2013, 8:00pm
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Yes, we've all had this conversation before
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ShireHorse
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Mar 7 2013, 9:33pm
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The Dynamic
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 10:27pm
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Some people may act like this in real life
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imin
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Mar 8 2013, 12:19am
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I almost entirely agree. THe only light I can see it in is Thorin having
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 8 2013, 5:36am
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le hug
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swordwhale
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Mar 7 2013, 8:20pm
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I fell for Thorin's anger...
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Nunilo
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Mar 7 2013, 9:09pm
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I saw it coming even without my elf eyes
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Barrow-Wight
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Mar 7 2013, 10:29pm
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Good Answer
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 10:41pm
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wow thanks
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Barrow-Wight
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Mar 7 2013, 10:46pm
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For the record, I am not against things being cliche' or predictable if they work and are fitting.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 8 2013, 5:55am
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The moment
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Elessar
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Mar 8 2013, 2:30pm
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If I tell you what I think
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Elenorflower
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Mar 7 2013, 11:57pm
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Please do
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Lusitano
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Mar 8 2013, 12:00am
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On second thoughts ...
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Elenorflower
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Mar 8 2013, 12:11am
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In touch with his femininity
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Lusitano
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Mar 8 2013, 12:16am
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much as I like stud muffins *cough*
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Elenorflower
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Mar 8 2013, 12:26am
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I think Gabriel would be a wonderfull choice
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Lusitano
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Mar 8 2013, 12:40am
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He saved his life. That merits hugging. And hugging is not really metrosexual.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 8 2013, 5:57am
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The whole premise of the scene
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tolktolk
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Mar 8 2013, 10:02am
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Yes, I saw MF on the Graham Norton Show
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ShireHorse
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Mar 8 2013, 11:00am
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This.
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Arannir
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Mar 8 2013, 1:02pm
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yes I see what you mean
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Elenorflower
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Mar 8 2013, 1:24pm
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Sorry, I think you've got that around the wrong way, Elenorflower.
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ShireHorse
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Mar 8 2013, 1:59pm
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Man-hug hunt
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Na Vedui
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Mar 26 2013, 11:46pm
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Shirehorse
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marillaraina
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Mar 27 2013, 12:13am
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To hug or not
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Na Vedui
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Mar 27 2013, 12:42am
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Enjoyed your analysis, Na Vedui,
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ShireHorse
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Mar 27 2013, 4:41pm
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Hugs and stuff
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Na Vedui
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Mar 27 2013, 5:18pm
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Please, Captain...
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JWPlatt
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Mar 8 2013, 2:30pm
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***Applause****
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Brethil
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Mar 8 2013, 2:36pm
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Brilliant!
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Elenorflower
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Mar 8 2013, 3:30pm
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That is so true!
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Mar 8 2013, 6:22pm
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just suggesting
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ByThorinsBeard
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Mar 13 2013, 6:37pm
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Anger Hug
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JWPlatt
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Mar 13 2013, 7:13pm
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Talking over my head but
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ByThorinsBeard
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Mar 13 2013, 8:40pm
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The Hug
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JWPlatt
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Mar 13 2013, 8:43pm
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I understand what you said JW, I just miss things sometimes
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ByThorinsBeard
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Mar 13 2013, 11:16pm
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Tricks
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JWPlatt
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Mar 13 2013, 11:23pm
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I have no idea!
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Roheryn
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Mar 8 2013, 3:18am
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My reaction
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Súlimë
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Mar 8 2013, 5:38am
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Too soon
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Mar 8 2013, 10:45am
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This.
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Eleniel
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Mar 8 2013, 10:52am
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One things for sure
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imin
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Mar 8 2013, 2:34pm
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It was spoiled by a TV spot for me.
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Mar 8 2013, 6:21pm
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plenty of things have come across to me in film as cliche, but this wasn't one of them
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Maciliel
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Mar 9 2013, 9:58pm
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I think it was too soon
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Sinister71
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Mar 9 2013, 10:26pm
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Not bogus, just different
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dreamflower
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Mar 11 2013, 3:24pm
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Inevitable
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dreamflower
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Mar 11 2013, 3:17pm
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after being as stubborn and blustery as Thorin about these films
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ByThorinsBeard
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Mar 13 2013, 12:50pm
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Great!
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arithmancer
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Mar 13 2013, 1:52pm
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Wonderful!
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GloryBox
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Mar 13 2013, 5:51pm
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