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Mar 6 2013, 2:31pm
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It must have took some time to do :) I think we do agree on quite a lot and i know from reading your comments in the past i agree with pretty much all of them. I think we just differ on how much we felt went right and what wasn't quite so good. For me i felt it was about 50/50 for good and bad - with almost all the good stuff coming before trolls plus riddles in the dark. Like yourself i think the 'real' dwarven war with the orcs would have been better to see on screen as for me it's a more interesting story and brings Dain into the story in a nice way. I also felt Gandalf gave too much reverence to Galadriel - though i believe this was Boyen's trying to give the female characters in the film a bit more importance/something to do. I felt Cate's actual performance was not up to her previous work as Galadriel and was bordering on parody when she was stood motionless with the dress twisted around her - though i know that isn't a scene for me, lol. The colour saturation - i have had this talk before, haha. When i first watched it, i think my screening was wrong as it was truly terrible. I watched it again in IMAX and it looked way way better with colour grading i thought looked great. It wasn't over saturated but it was't undersaturated like lotr films were. For me i don't buy into the idea it has to be over saturated to look whimsical. When i watched it again on tv in 2D the colour again looked 'wrong' but then that was from watching the dvd given to Oscar members so maybe it wasn't finished. I dunno, they messed up with the green tint so my faith in them has been rocked when it comes to colour grading, lol. It feels to me like they take it too far, as i feel they do with lots of things. Sometimes i feel less is more. Like i say i think it just comes down to how much i like and dislike. For me its about equal so those things add up to it being too flawed to be considered great, I left the film wanting to like it but ultimately disappointed, though i can totally see how you think its great if you like most of it - i would of course be the same :)
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A reaffirmation of what makes cinema magical : TH s failure
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 3:45pm
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It wasn't a failure...
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bborchar
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Mar 2 2013, 3:57pm
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I agree
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Brethil
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Mar 2 2013, 4:11pm
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That's a better description...
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bborchar
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Mar 2 2013, 4:23pm
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Nobody said everyone hated it.
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 4:42pm
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This article is the same criticism we've seen before...
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bborchar
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Mar 2 2013, 5:07pm
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I heartily disagree with you, and with that reviewer
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Glorfindela
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Mar 2 2013, 5:42pm
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Completely Agree
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architecthis
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Mar 2 2013, 11:42pm
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Wasn't a failure to me either
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 4:41am
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Agree wholeheartedly!
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Kimtc
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Mar 3 2013, 4:58am
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I thought bag end looked great in HFR
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 5:19am
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Almost convert
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 5:21am
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Thanks for the link
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Brethil
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Mar 2 2013, 4:06pm
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I'm with Brethil above
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 4:20pm
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No hes not
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 4:53pm
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Yeah, must agree
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Tigero
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Mar 2 2013, 4:24pm
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It wasn't a failure
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dormouse
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Mar 2 2013, 4:33pm
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Thank you!
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hamlet
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Mar 2 2013, 4:49pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 5:08pm
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You are still generalizing a little bit.
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Escapist
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Mar 2 2013, 5:28pm
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It wasn't totally non-stop action
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Salmacis81
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Mar 2 2013, 6:39pm
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Exactly
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 6:59pm
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Agree with this, too.
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Arannir
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Mar 2 2013, 7:56pm
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Reality
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 7:17pm
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Video games and chutes and ladders
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Salmacis81
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Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm
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Blue Sky
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 9:49pm
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Thanks for your expert opinion
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Salmacis81
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Mar 2 2013, 10:36pm
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hmmm...
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Tinkerbell
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Mar 2 2013, 11:22pm
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The second half wasn't that bad. Even aside from the MAGNIFICENCE of Gandalf's displays of magic finally getting something of their due.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 2:28am
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Hear Hear! Lusitano well said.
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 4:44pm
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It was not a failure, but the way it was unveiled and obtrusively pushed damaged the reception of the film.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 2:55am
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I have to agree
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Ardamírë
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Mar 2 2013, 4:48pm
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Its not
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 5:10pm
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We will see.
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Ardamírë
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Mar 2 2013, 5:18pm
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Avatar
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 5:27pm
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Avatar 2
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Ardamírë
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Mar 2 2013, 5:31pm
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Maybe, maybe not.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 5:37pm
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re: Oscars...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 2 2013, 4:54pm
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Many replies
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Lusitano
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Mar 4 2013, 9:08pm
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I can accept that you personally disliked the second half.
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Escapist
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Mar 4 2013, 9:48pm
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small corrections after 10 mins
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Escapist
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Mar 4 2013, 10:08pm
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Anger Hug
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JWPlatt
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Mar 4 2013, 10:19pm
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Agreed it was cringeworthy
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tolktolk
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Mar 4 2013, 10:43pm
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I am inclined to agree with this on this scene. It could have been handled much better.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 12:31am
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Wow! That makes ... three ... that share this opinion!
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Escapist
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Mar 4 2013, 11:07pm
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Make it four :P
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imin
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Mar 4 2013, 11:18pm
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Put me in the "it felt forced and over-done" camp,
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 4 2013, 11:41pm
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Take heart - I love the scene as well.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 4 2013, 11:39pm
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Looked and felt good/fine
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 12:57am
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The big problem for me is...
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jtarkey
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Mar 5 2013, 5:30am
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Thorin is a bit of a jerk/snob
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 12:10pm
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Reasons movie gives
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arithmancer
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Mar 5 2013, 2:33pm
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Why so defensive?
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tolktolk
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Mar 4 2013, 11:41pm
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Just trying to find a creative way to make a point.
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Escapist
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Mar 5 2013, 12:35am
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Nice Point
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 5 2013, 7:25am
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Lets not get carried away with what the book achieves
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 4 2013, 11:17pm
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I see book thorin doing all the things you listed over the course of the book
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imin
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Mar 4 2013, 11:30pm
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Squaring the Circle
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 5 2013, 7:13am
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I think it comes down to a difference of how we view the book
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 9:15am
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Totally agree...
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jtarkey
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Mar 5 2013, 10:37am
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I think there are a lot of people here that think it's great.
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DanielLB
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Mar 5 2013, 11:31am
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Movie was great for me.
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 12:16pm
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No need to be so defensive!
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 1:15pm
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I didn't think I was
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 1:59pm
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It's just frustrating to me
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jtarkey
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Mar 5 2013, 7:17pm
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I understand......
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 9:00pm
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I think it is a great film. I have met many who think the same. Was it a great adaptation? ? ?
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 9:29pm
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Well said
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 10:03pm
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Alignment
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 5 2013, 10:27pm
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I agree that DoS will get a much fairer critical reception
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 5 2013, 10:58pm
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Very true. And I especially agree
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 11:50pm
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It has too many short comings to be a great film
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 11:58pm
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That depends on
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Elessar
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Mar 6 2013, 12:51am
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Of course
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imin
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Mar 6 2013, 12:59am
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Positive vs Negative
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Elessar
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Mar 6 2013, 2:13am
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I respectfully disagree about the lack of greatness.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6 2013, 1:07am
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I agree
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imin
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Mar 6 2013, 1:20am
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And I agree with you here, also to an extent. Lmao.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6 2013, 2:48am
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Thank you for your post
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imin
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Mar 6 2013, 2:31pm
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You are welcome, and thank you as well.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:56pm
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You've said everything for me!
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Eleniel
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Mar 6 2013, 7:45am
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To be fair, there are LOTS of Fairytale elements to both Hobbit and
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6 2013, 2:08pm
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Oh, yes, the Trolls' dialogue is certainly a delight...
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Eleniel
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Mar 6 2013, 5:39pm
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The long johns were a bit tacky. I chalk it up to
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:57pm
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For the record, I have always found Waldorf and Statler, the grumpy old muppet men
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 9:14pm
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I think that this review has strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats
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Escapist
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Mar 2 2013, 4:58pm
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I disagree about the make up
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Old Toby
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Mar 2 2013, 5:13pm
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Video Games..
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glor
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Mar 2 2013, 8:29pm
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Yeah, that's bothered me for a long time.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 2 2013, 9:00pm
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No insult intended!
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Old Toby
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Mar 2 2013, 9:31pm
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No don't apologise.
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glor
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Mar 2 2013, 9:52pm
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Video Game
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 10:08pm
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JWPlatt, I've been so out of the loop...
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Patty
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Mar 2 2013, 10:22pm
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HFR
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 10:36pm
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I do think it's a valid point
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 10:54pm
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Did some research
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Brethil
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Mar 2 2013, 11:23pm
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Thanks!
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 11:34pm
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Seats Versus Dollars Over Time
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 11:46pm
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Totally true
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 12:07am
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Several difficulies with drawing conclusions from that.
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Silverlode
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Mar 2 2013, 11:54pm
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True, Silverlode. We lack all the data
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 12:56am
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I have to assume
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Silverlode
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Mar 3 2013, 3:00am
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Yes good point
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 3:09am
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It gives a new angle to interpreting reviews
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 3:42am
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Yes, well in some circles
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SirDennisC
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Mar 3 2013, 4:12am
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I think having more time to tweak it --
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SirDennisC
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Mar 3 2013, 4:08am
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Thanks so much. I hope...
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Patty
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Mar 2 2013, 10:55pm
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No word yet about DoS in HFR
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Mar 2 2013, 10:39pm
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Thanks, VtF...
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Patty
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Mar 2 2013, 10:57pm
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I think it will be in about the same amount of theaters as
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 2 2013, 11:42pm
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Yes
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Owain
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Mar 3 2013, 7:40pm
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Thanks, Owain
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Patty
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Mar 3 2013, 10:04pm
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While i agree with a lot of this,
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 2 2013, 5:28pm
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It was this review
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mefansmum
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Mar 2 2013, 5:52pm
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Funny how it was the total opposite for me
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Súlimë
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Mar 2 2013, 6:16pm
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Oh, and for me
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Glorfindela
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Mar 2 2013, 6:20pm
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This review did not change
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mefansmum
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Mar 3 2013, 2:19pm
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i loved TH in 3D
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MouthofSauron
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Mar 2 2013, 10:30pm
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It definitely wasn't a failure for me
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Súlimë
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Mar 2 2013, 6:11pm
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Just my 2 cents..
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Verbal_Daggers
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Mar 2 2013, 7:33pm
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This article is spot on
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 9:16pm
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You say that as if...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm
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One mans meat is another mans poison
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 2 2013, 10:25pm
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In the end
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 10:33pm
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The Tolkien fan in me loves the film...
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 11:13pm
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That makes total sense
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 11:23pm
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The best example of what the whole film should have felt like
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 11:57pm
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i loved that. Absolutely.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 12:13am
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Investment of negative energy
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 3 2013, 6:18am
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The fiercer the love, the fiercer the fury in dissapointment can sometimes be.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 6:54am
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Reservations I had a few
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 3 2013, 8:02am
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My thanks to you.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 5:07pm
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Tarantino
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JWPlatt
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Mar 3 2013, 2:30pm
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I don't get all the Tarantino hate.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 3 2013, 3:17pm
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I don't care for his movies/style
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 3:32pm
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Aestheticization of violence
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 4 2013, 9:05pm
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Interesting
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Lusitano
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Mar 4 2013, 9:15pm
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Wonder and awe in Middle Earth
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burrahobbit
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Mar 3 2013, 1:15pm
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I re-watched (is that a word?) FOTR last night
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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 6:59pm
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Qualifiers
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JWPlatt
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Mar 4 2013, 9:09pm
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wow, your entire first paragraph
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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 11:08pm
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Concisity
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JWPlatt
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Mar 4 2013, 11:28pm
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Clarification
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 4 2013, 8:58pm
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yes I think you are spot on
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 4:56pm
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I never did
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 5:26pm
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Poor Elenor
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Ardamírë
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Mar 3 2013, 6:23pm
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ha ha! yep
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 6:28pm
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Oh I'm sure it did! //
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Ardamírë
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Mar 3 2013, 6:42pm
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Strongly disagree
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Glorfindela
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Mar 3 2013, 6:16pm
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It's not "simply incorrect" at all
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jtarkey
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Mar 3 2013, 7:46pm
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That was not my experience at all
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 8:12pm
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Just goes to show how different the same film can be for people
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jtarkey
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Mar 3 2013, 8:22pm
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So very very true
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 8:24pm
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Ditto
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 9:24pm
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Exactlyl right
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 10:35pm
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Agreed
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Glorfindela
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Mar 3 2013, 11:12pm
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Going to be fantastic
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 11:24pm
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Agree about movie Thorin
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Salmacis81
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Mar 4 2013, 4:32pm
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I agree about Martin Freeman
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 8:59pm
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I have an issue with that scene as well...
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dik-dik
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Mar 3 2013, 9:17pm
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No he didn't true.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 9:27pm
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Flawed, yes. But failure?
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 2 2013, 9:32pm
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I understand what this person is getting at in the article
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imin
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Mar 2 2013, 11:36pm
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You hit the nail on the head!
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 11:50pm
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Exact opposite for me...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 2 2013, 11:55pm
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It is strange how we view things differently
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imin
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Mar 3 2013, 12:30am
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Hmmm? So which type of subjectivity ...?
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 1:00am
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I think the emotional engagement in the film
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imin
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Mar 3 2013, 1:37am
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I had a feeling we would agree
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 2:06am
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Oh no, how terribly predictable of me! :P
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imin
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Mar 3 2013, 2:13am
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Interesting? Indeed - we always find things to discuss!
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 2:35am
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In your humble opinion
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Lindele
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Mar 3 2013, 7:28am
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Viewing #13 for me today. . .
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kareniel
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Mar 3 2013, 1:05pm
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I agree with that article 100%
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 4:04pm
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It's one opinion, but that's all it is.
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Rostron2
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Mar 4 2013, 6:58pm
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