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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Mar 4 2013, 9:09pm
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Wow, your entire first paragraph was a qualifier or disclaimer - not sure which. That's going a little overboard, though I am biased because I tend to not appreciate verbosity. Did you ever try to find an answer on the web to a simple question, but an author has to tell you their life's story before they answer the question at the end in a single sentence? It's like that. I get exasperated when people ramble on with their introductions that fear others might misinterpret their meaning or take offense if there is not a forward to explain what is to come. I think corporate training and formulaic education might be somewhat guilty of manifesting this behavior. Or maybe it's just the more feminine trait of being socially connected and trying to make sure we don't hurt anyone's feelings. Fortunately, we have mobile devices doing their best to undo centuries of established literacy, intelligence and comprehension of language. Me, I like to get to the point, which I will, in a moment. I'd rather risk offense and assume folks are bright enough to fill in all the qualifiers and disclaimers that are, to me, obvious than take up the valuable time of the reader and test their patience. It just takes too long otherwise. So I won't indulge in the practice. * Oh yeah, The Fellowship of the Ring was simply a better movie than The Hobbit. And the dwarves survived impossible physics that would have torn the entire cast of The Fellowship of the Ring to pieces. We lost that certain sense of jeopardy and meaning to events. That's why, in comparison, the remaining movies of The Hobbit have a much lesser chance of winning awards than The Lord of the Rings. The anchor of a strong start is missing. * See: Comedic Irony. P.S. This isn't the place to post if you want to avoid a debate.
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A reaffirmation of what makes cinema magical : TH s failure
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 3:45pm
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It wasn't a failure...
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bborchar
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Mar 2 2013, 3:57pm
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I agree
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Brethil
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Mar 2 2013, 4:11pm
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That's a better description...
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bborchar
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Mar 2 2013, 4:23pm
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Nobody said everyone hated it.
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 4:42pm
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This article is the same criticism we've seen before...
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bborchar
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Mar 2 2013, 5:07pm
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I heartily disagree with you, and with that reviewer
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Glorfindela
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Mar 2 2013, 5:42pm
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Completely Agree
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architecthis
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Mar 2 2013, 11:42pm
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Wasn't a failure to me either
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 4:41am
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Agree wholeheartedly!
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Kimtc
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Mar 3 2013, 4:58am
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I thought bag end looked great in HFR
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 5:19am
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Almost convert
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 5:21am
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Thanks for the link
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Brethil
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Mar 2 2013, 4:06pm
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I'm with Brethil above
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 4:20pm
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No hes not
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 4:53pm
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Yeah, must agree
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Tigero
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Mar 2 2013, 4:24pm
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It wasn't a failure
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dormouse
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Mar 2 2013, 4:33pm
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Thank you!
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hamlet
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Mar 2 2013, 4:49pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 5:08pm
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You are still generalizing a little bit.
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Escapist
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Mar 2 2013, 5:28pm
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It wasn't totally non-stop action
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Salmacis81
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Mar 2 2013, 6:39pm
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Exactly
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 6:59pm
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Agree with this, too.
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Arannir
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Mar 2 2013, 7:56pm
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Reality
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 7:17pm
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Video games and chutes and ladders
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Salmacis81
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Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm
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Blue Sky
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 9:49pm
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Thanks for your expert opinion
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Salmacis81
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Mar 2 2013, 10:36pm
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hmmm...
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Tinkerbell
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Mar 2 2013, 11:22pm
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The second half wasn't that bad. Even aside from the MAGNIFICENCE of Gandalf's displays of magic finally getting something of their due.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 2:28am
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Hear Hear! Lusitano well said.
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 4:44pm
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It was not a failure, but the way it was unveiled and obtrusively pushed damaged the reception of the film.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 2:55am
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I have to agree
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Ardamírë
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Mar 2 2013, 4:48pm
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Its not
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Lusitano
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Mar 2 2013, 5:10pm
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We will see.
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Ardamírë
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Mar 2 2013, 5:18pm
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Avatar
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 5:27pm
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Avatar 2
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Ardamírë
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Mar 2 2013, 5:31pm
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Maybe, maybe not.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 5:37pm
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re: Oscars...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 2 2013, 4:54pm
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Many replies
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Lusitano
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Mar 4 2013, 9:08pm
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I can accept that you personally disliked the second half.
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Escapist
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Mar 4 2013, 9:48pm
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small corrections after 10 mins
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Escapist
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Mar 4 2013, 10:08pm
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Anger Hug
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JWPlatt
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Mar 4 2013, 10:19pm
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Agreed it was cringeworthy
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tolktolk
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Mar 4 2013, 10:43pm
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I am inclined to agree with this on this scene. It could have been handled much better.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 12:31am
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Wow! That makes ... three ... that share this opinion!
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Escapist
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Mar 4 2013, 11:07pm
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Make it four :P
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imin
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Mar 4 2013, 11:18pm
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Put me in the "it felt forced and over-done" camp,
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 4 2013, 11:41pm
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Take heart - I love the scene as well.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 4 2013, 11:39pm
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Looked and felt good/fine
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 12:57am
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The big problem for me is...
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jtarkey
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Mar 5 2013, 5:30am
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Thorin is a bit of a jerk/snob
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 12:10pm
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Reasons movie gives
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arithmancer
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Mar 5 2013, 2:33pm
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Why so defensive?
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tolktolk
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Mar 4 2013, 11:41pm
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Just trying to find a creative way to make a point.
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Escapist
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Mar 5 2013, 12:35am
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Nice Point
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 5 2013, 7:25am
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Lets not get carried away with what the book achieves
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 4 2013, 11:17pm
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I see book thorin doing all the things you listed over the course of the book
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imin
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Mar 4 2013, 11:30pm
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Squaring the Circle
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 5 2013, 7:13am
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I think it comes down to a difference of how we view the book
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 9:15am
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Totally agree...
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jtarkey
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Mar 5 2013, 10:37am
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I think there are a lot of people here that think it's great.
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DanielLB
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Mar 5 2013, 11:31am
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Movie was great for me.
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 12:16pm
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No need to be so defensive!
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 1:15pm
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I didn't think I was
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 1:59pm
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It's just frustrating to me
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jtarkey
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Mar 5 2013, 7:17pm
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I understand......
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 9:00pm
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I think it is a great film. I have met many who think the same. Was it a great adaptation? ? ?
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 9:29pm
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Well said
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Elessar
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Mar 5 2013, 10:03pm
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Alignment
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 5 2013, 10:27pm
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I agree that DoS will get a much fairer critical reception
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 5 2013, 10:58pm
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Very true. And I especially agree
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 11:50pm
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It has too many short comings to be a great film
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imin
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Mar 5 2013, 11:58pm
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That depends on
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Elessar
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Mar 6 2013, 12:51am
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Of course
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imin
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Mar 6 2013, 12:59am
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Positive vs Negative
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Elessar
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Mar 6 2013, 2:13am
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I respectfully disagree about the lack of greatness.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6 2013, 1:07am
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I agree
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imin
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Mar 6 2013, 1:20am
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And I agree with you here, also to an extent. Lmao.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6 2013, 2:48am
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Thank you for your post
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imin
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Mar 6 2013, 2:31pm
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You are welcome, and thank you as well.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:56pm
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You've said everything for me!
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Eleniel
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Mar 6 2013, 7:45am
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To be fair, there are LOTS of Fairytale elements to both Hobbit and
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 6 2013, 2:08pm
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Oh, yes, the Trolls' dialogue is certainly a delight...
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Eleniel
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Mar 6 2013, 5:39pm
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The long johns were a bit tacky. I chalk it up to
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 7 2013, 3:57pm
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For the record, I have always found Waldorf and Statler, the grumpy old muppet men
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 5 2013, 9:14pm
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I think that this review has strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats
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Escapist
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Mar 2 2013, 4:58pm
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I disagree about the make up
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Old Toby
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Mar 2 2013, 5:13pm
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Video Games..
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glor
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Mar 2 2013, 8:29pm
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Yeah, that's bothered me for a long time.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 2 2013, 9:00pm
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No insult intended!
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Old Toby
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Mar 2 2013, 9:31pm
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No don't apologise.
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glor
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Mar 2 2013, 9:52pm
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Video Game
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 10:08pm
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JWPlatt, I've been so out of the loop...
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Patty
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Mar 2 2013, 10:22pm
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HFR
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 10:36pm
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I do think it's a valid point
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 10:54pm
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Did some research
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Brethil
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Mar 2 2013, 11:23pm
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Thanks!
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 11:34pm
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Seats Versus Dollars Over Time
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JWPlatt
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Mar 2 2013, 11:46pm
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Totally true
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 12:07am
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Several difficulies with drawing conclusions from that.
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Silverlode
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Mar 2 2013, 11:54pm
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True, Silverlode. We lack all the data
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 12:56am
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I have to assume
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Silverlode
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Mar 3 2013, 3:00am
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Yes good point
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 3:09am
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It gives a new angle to interpreting reviews
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 3:42am
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Yes, well in some circles
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SirDennisC
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Mar 3 2013, 4:12am
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I think having more time to tweak it --
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SirDennisC
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Mar 3 2013, 4:08am
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Thanks so much. I hope...
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Patty
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Mar 2 2013, 10:55pm
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No word yet about DoS in HFR
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Mar 2 2013, 10:39pm
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Thanks, VtF...
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Patty
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Mar 2 2013, 10:57pm
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I think it will be in about the same amount of theaters as
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 2 2013, 11:42pm
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Yes
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Owain
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Mar 3 2013, 7:40pm
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Thanks, Owain
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Patty
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Mar 3 2013, 10:04pm
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While i agree with a lot of this,
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 2 2013, 5:28pm
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It was this review
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mefansmum
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Mar 2 2013, 5:52pm
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Funny how it was the total opposite for me
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Súlimë
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Mar 2 2013, 6:16pm
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Oh, and for me
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Glorfindela
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Mar 2 2013, 6:20pm
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This review did not change
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mefansmum
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Mar 3 2013, 2:19pm
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i loved TH in 3D
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MouthofSauron
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Mar 2 2013, 10:30pm
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It definitely wasn't a failure for me
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Súlimë
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Mar 2 2013, 6:11pm
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Just my 2 cents..
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Verbal_Daggers
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Mar 2 2013, 7:33pm
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This article is spot on
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 9:16pm
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You say that as if...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm
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One mans meat is another mans poison
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 2 2013, 10:25pm
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In the end
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 10:33pm
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The Tolkien fan in me loves the film...
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 11:13pm
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That makes total sense
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 2 2013, 11:23pm
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The best example of what the whole film should have felt like
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 11:57pm
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i loved that. Absolutely.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 12:13am
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Investment of negative energy
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 3 2013, 6:18am
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The fiercer the love, the fiercer the fury in dissapointment can sometimes be.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 6:54am
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Reservations I had a few
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 3 2013, 8:02am
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My thanks to you.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 3 2013, 5:07pm
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Tarantino
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JWPlatt
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Mar 3 2013, 2:30pm
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I don't get all the Tarantino hate.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 3 2013, 3:17pm
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I don't care for his movies/style
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 3:32pm
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Aestheticization of violence
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 4 2013, 9:05pm
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Interesting
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Lusitano
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Mar 4 2013, 9:15pm
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Wonder and awe in Middle Earth
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burrahobbit
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Mar 3 2013, 1:15pm
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I re-watched (is that a word?) FOTR last night
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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 6:59pm
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Qualifiers
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JWPlatt
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Mar 4 2013, 9:09pm
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wow, your entire first paragraph
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Old Toby
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Mar 4 2013, 11:08pm
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Concisity
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JWPlatt
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Mar 4 2013, 11:28pm
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Clarification
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Michelle Johnston
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Mar 4 2013, 8:58pm
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yes I think you are spot on
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 4:56pm
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I never did
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 5:26pm
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Poor Elenor
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Ardamírë
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Mar 3 2013, 6:23pm
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ha ha! yep
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 6:28pm
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Oh I'm sure it did! //
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Ardamírë
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Mar 3 2013, 6:42pm
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Strongly disagree
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Glorfindela
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Mar 3 2013, 6:16pm
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It's not "simply incorrect" at all
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jtarkey
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Mar 3 2013, 7:46pm
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That was not my experience at all
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 8:12pm
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Just goes to show how different the same film can be for people
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jtarkey
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Mar 3 2013, 8:22pm
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So very very true
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 8:24pm
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Ditto
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 9:24pm
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Exactlyl right
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 10:35pm
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Agreed
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Glorfindela
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Mar 3 2013, 11:12pm
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Going to be fantastic
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 11:24pm
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Agree about movie Thorin
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Salmacis81
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Mar 4 2013, 4:32pm
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I agree about Martin Freeman
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 8:59pm
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I have an issue with that scene as well...
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dik-dik
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Mar 3 2013, 9:17pm
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No he didn't true.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 3 2013, 9:27pm
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Flawed, yes. But failure?
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 2 2013, 9:32pm
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I understand what this person is getting at in the article
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imin
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Mar 2 2013, 11:36pm
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You hit the nail on the head!
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jtarkey
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Mar 2 2013, 11:50pm
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Exact opposite for me...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 2 2013, 11:55pm
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It is strange how we view things differently
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imin
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Mar 3 2013, 12:30am
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Hmmm? So which type of subjectivity ...?
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 1:00am
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I think the emotional engagement in the film
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imin
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Mar 3 2013, 1:37am
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I had a feeling we would agree
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 2:06am
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Oh no, how terribly predictable of me! :P
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imin
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Mar 3 2013, 2:13am
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Interesting? Indeed - we always find things to discuss!
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Brethil
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Mar 3 2013, 2:35am
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In your humble opinion
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Lindele
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Mar 3 2013, 7:28am
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Viewing #13 for me today. . .
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kareniel
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Mar 3 2013, 1:05pm
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I agree with that article 100%
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Elenorflower
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Mar 3 2013, 4:04pm
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It's one opinion, but that's all it is.
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Rostron2
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Mar 4 2013, 6:58pm
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