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Mar 4 2013, 3:52pm


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1. Why don’t people travel from the Lonely Isle to Aman? And how come the Teleri never travel back to the Lonely Isle once they have ships?

Who is to say they don't? We don't really know how the Teleri on the mainland interact with those on the island but as both are hallowed ground it's probably simple commutes to visit relatives and such. The Silmarillion says Tol Eressea is actually the western bit of the Isle of Balar, so maybe some Teleri think it stinks of Morgoth, while some others still remember it as part of Middle Earth and such. Sailiors came from Eressea to Numenor; surely they also went to Valinor with no problems.

2. Would you like to visit Alqualonde, based on this description? Would Tolkien have made a good travel writer?


The description is a bit like Gondolin or Minas Tirith- too grand for its own good, without many of the sad details within that no one gets to hear or see. As Tolkien did travel a bit, he would relate the experiences he had but to be a travel writer one must also detach one self from the land, which Tolkien is very hesitant- he describes his lands in mostly great detail, almost excitedly through characters or third person narrative.


3. Why are swans so often referenced in Tolkien?

"All living things were divided that day, apart from the Elves and the swans," - Bird-o-dil, keeper of the Silver Bird House. it seems majestic birds can do no wrong in Tolkien's world!

4. What exactly is living rock?

Rock that is left to erode, weather and expand without interference. Gimli considered the Glittering Caves to be living rock because ofa ll the crystals he saw, which grow and evolve purely by natural processes. Minas Tirith was hewed out of living rock, so it literally looks like it is sticking out of the mountain.

5. Will the Teleri ever be happy?

Because they are simple folk compared to the other Elves, they can only really be happy without anyone else around.

6. What new things do we learn about the Noldor here? And why of all the sons of Feanor does Tolkien choose to tell us more about Celegorm here?

Celegorm is a hunter unlike his father , so he learned many things the likes of Maedhros did not. When there are seven sons Tolkien has to give them some spotlight somewhere; Maglor has the end, Maedhros has his arm-chain moment with Finrod etc

7. Middle Earth has mumaks, wargs, giant eagles and talking birds, among other things. How do you think those would stack up whatever creatures live only in Aman? Is Tolkien referencing dinosaurs or something more mythic or fantastic?


They have talking birds in Aman- where do you think the Eagles came from?

Aman certainly has special horses, as Orome brought some with him to found he Mearas (indeed his own horse is special). I would think that there are the same animals in Aman as there are in Middle Earth, only with more consciousness and free will.

8. Any other comments on this section or the chapter as a whole?

Why didn't the Elves also try to explore the world after it got rounded? The Numenoreans went all the way to the Gate of Morning after all.


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*Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Conclusion -- Go Teleri on the Mountain...** weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 1 2013, 9:51pm
    Alqualonde Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 1 2013, 10:42pm
    A few rather random thoughts FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 3 2013, 5:02pm
    Miami, Elf style PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 4 2013, 3:52pm
    short answers to questions that deserve more athn what I have given elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Mar 4 2013, 4:12pm
    Late answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 11 2013, 10:16pm
    <looking sheepish> sador Send a private message to sador Mar 12 2013, 9:14pm

 
 
 

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