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*Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Conclusion -- Go Teleri on the Mountain...**


Mar 1 2013, 9:51pm

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*Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Conclusion -- Go Teleri on the Mountain...** Can't Post

Thanks for your patience with this final chapter post. Please forgive any typos or nonsensical questions, it’s been a long week for me!

Good news – the Teleri finally make it to Aman. They overcome their love of the sea enough that the Valar tell Ulmo to tell Osse to teach them how to build ships to get across it. The ships are pulled by swans to Eldamar. And while they can now go to Valmar, the City of the Gods in Valinor, or hang out in the Elven city of Túna, they cling to the shore, and sail in the water of the Bay. The beaches have gems on them courtesy of the Noldor, and the Teleri win pearls out of the sea as well. They build a city called Alqualonde, or the Haven of the Swans. The city is illuminated with many lamps, and there are ships that look like swans in the docks. There is a harbour with an arch of living rock carved by the sea. Alqualonde is located north of the Calacirya, where you see the stars more than the light of paradise.

The Vanyar, finally, get tired of Túna and move in with Manwe, and become sundered from the Noldor. As a result, the Noldor and Teleri become closer. The Noldor are more restless, and they wander all over Valinor. This is particularly true of Feanor and his sons, who even start to check out the borders of the land and to seek out the unknown. Sometimes they visit Aule, but Celegorm likes to hang out with Orome, and there he learns about birds and beasts – all the living things that are or have been in Arda lived then in Aman, except Melkor’s evil creations, of course. This includes creatures that have not or never will be seen in Middle Earth, because “the fashion of the world” has changed.

Question For Your Discussion Pleasure:

1. Why don’t people travel from the Lonely Isle to Aman? And how come the Teleri never travel back to the Lonely Isle once they have ships?

2. Would you like to visit Alqualonde, based on this description? Would Tolkien have made a good travel writer?

3. Why are swans so often referenced in Tolkien?

4. What exactly is living rock?

5. Will the Teleri ever be happy?

6. What new things do we learn about the Noldor here? And why of all the sons of Feanor does Tolkien choose to tell us more about Celegorm here?

7. Middle Earth has mumaks, wargs, giant eagles and talking birds, among other things. How do you think those would stack up whatever creatures live only in Aman? Is Tolkien referencing dinosaurs or something more mythic or fantastic?

8. Any other comments on this section or the chapter as a whole?

Thanks to everyone who replied or lurked. I did enjoy reading all the comments, just wish I would have had time to enter into the discussion. Maybe next time!


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*Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Conclusion -- Go Teleri on the Mountain...** weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 1 2013, 9:51pm
    Alqualonde Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Mar 1 2013, 10:42pm
    A few rather random thoughts FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 3 2013, 5:02pm
    Miami, Elf style PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 4 2013, 3:52pm
    short answers to questions that deserve more athn what I have given elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Mar 4 2013, 4:12pm
    Late answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 11 2013, 10:16pm
    <looking sheepish> sador Send a private message to sador Mar 12 2013, 9:14pm


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