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Just to add, of course, that "The Last Ship" is not actually canon...

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Feb 28 2013, 9:32pm


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Just to add, of course, that "The Last Ship" is not actually canon... [In reply to] Can't Post

The poem is much older than Tolkien's ideas of Elves in LOTR Original version is from 1934.

In one of one of Tolkien's letters to Pauline Baynes he says that these poems are "pictures seen in a tapestry of antiquity..." He also said that The Man in the Moon Came Down Too Soon and The Last Ship 'must be derived ultimately from Gondor', and that the poems were 'only re-handlings of Southern matter' In other words, he uses the conceit of it being the folklore of a created world - Middle-earth legend not history!


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(This post was edited by Eleniel on Feb 28 2013, 9:33pm)

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Plot speculations for DOS Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27 2013, 3:18am
    Thranduil Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 27 2013, 3:39am
        Bilbo (spoilers) Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 27 2013, 4:05am
            I didn't think we had seen any shots of Bilbo in and/or on top of any barrels. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 27 2013, 11:07am
        The Court of Thranduil, Elvenking Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Feb 27 2013, 4:29am
            Indeed Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 27 2013, 3:54pm
    Thranduil should recognize Thorin Bellerock Send a private message to Bellerock Feb 27 2013, 4:47am
        And remember their relative placement in the beginning of the movie. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Feb 27 2013, 7:11pm
            Good point Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 7:15pm
                okay that's it! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 28 2013, 4:53am
                    Right? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 28 2013, 3:25pm
                        That would be a terrific touch. Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 28 2013, 3:42pm
                            Thinking.. "3-Dly"... SheLob was quite CANON-cally correct! ....correct? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 28 2013, 5:20pm
                            Wonder if we get some insight into Legolas Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 28 2013, 6:59pm
                                Thranduil and the West Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 28 2013, 8:03pm
                                We can only speculate from Tolkien's poem "The Last Ship" Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Feb 28 2013, 8:47pm
                                    Just to add, of course, that "The Last Ship" is not actually canon... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Feb 28 2013, 9:32pm
                                    Thank you for the link Eleniel Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 28 2013, 9:52pm
    My take cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Feb 27 2013, 4:49am
    Oh, I can hardly wait to see Thorin and Thranduil together Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 27 2013, 5:40am
        Me too! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27 2013, 8:37am
        Thranduil not recognising Thorin.... glor Send a private message to glor Feb 27 2013, 11:25am
            I always felt... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Feb 27 2013, 3:30pm
        I absolutely hate spiders! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 27 2013, 3:16pm
            Thorin won't keep quiet I am sure Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 6:06pm
                That's interesting Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 27 2013, 6:22pm
                    Set stills Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 6:40pm
                        They are real DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 27 2013, 6:49pm
                            Ah! I wasn't sure where they were from Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 6:54pm
                        Interesting Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 27 2013, 9:01pm
                            Open barrels Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 10:17pm
                                the Barrels Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 27 2013, 11:19pm
                                    BWAAHAAHAAAHAA! Thats AWESOME! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 11:37pm
                                        A new song! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 27 2013, 11:52pm
                                            picks self off floor....... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 28 2013, 12:08am
                                    PJ, finally noticing what's going on, runs down to the water's edge hollering: Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 28 2013, 1:17am
                                        Meanwhile Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 28 2013, 1:37am
                                            sigh, here I'm gone for just a few hours Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 28 2013, 4:58am
                                                Sorry we had to start without ya! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 28 2013, 5:08am
                                                    Why does all the fun have to start elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Feb 28 2013, 9:14am
                                        Extra crew members annoying PJ Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 28 2013, 4:17am
                                            AHAHAHAHAHAHa Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 28 2013, 4:22am
                    LOL marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 27 2013, 6:41pm
                        OMG you are right! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 6:47pm
                            This I gotta see Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 27 2013, 8:25pm
                                Made a link! Here is the slideshow (music too!) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 8:32pm
                                    Thag you berry much!! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 27 2013, 9:53pm
                                        Ur Belcome, Old Toby! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 27 2013, 10:20pm
                        This happened in Ghostbusters, too. Everyone but Bill Murray was covered with marshmallow. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Feb 27 2013, 7:03pm
                        here ya go marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 28 2013, 10:02am
                            Thanks! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 28 2013, 3:16pm
                            Oh thank you thank you!! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 28 2013, 3:37pm
                            Dwalin has a branch TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard Feb 28 2013, 4:53pm
                I do wonder marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 27 2013, 6:28pm
            You're not the only one who loathes the spawn of Ungoliant Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Feb 27 2013, 7:39pm
                Actually IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Feb 28 2013, 1:58am
    Aside from Thorin not wanting to reveal Esmeralda Send a private message to Esmeralda Feb 27 2013, 5:45am
        *not thinking about Thorin revealing anything* Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 27 2013, 8:49am
            Oh yes, I think Thorin will want to give Thranduil some dwarvish iron Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 27 2013, 3:50pm
                Thranduil Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Feb 27 2013, 4:08pm
    I'm still convinced that .... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Feb 27 2013, 11:08am
        Oh I hope you're right DanielB! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 27 2013, 3:52pm
    the plot axecrazy Send a private message to axecrazy Feb 27 2013, 1:15pm
    A question deserving of its own thread... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 27 2013, 4:14pm

 
 
 

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