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3. If it wasn’t for the grinding ice, would everyone have just waded back and forth across the narrow sea from Aman to Middle Earth? What would it be like if you could regularly travel to and from Paradise? Something I found interesting up reading the Atlas of Middle Earth for the first time is the section that deals with the Eldar's march from Cuivienen. Based on the map Ms. Fonstad made, it was a much, much shorter march for the Elves to march straight west to the sea. Instead Orome took them northwest to Beleriand and the sea, then Ulmo ferried them southwest to Aman. I wonder if the Valar purposely took this route to give the Eldar a tour of Middle Earth, so that they could properly decide if they wished to leave it behind. Kind of weed out the ones who had reservations. It worked too, until the grandkids, who never had a chance to see Middle Earth for themselves, got restless.

5. Why are Tolkien’s Elves so filled with longing – for the sea, for the friends and relatives they are separated from, for the site of paradise? How do these kinds of longings affect the way the Elves see themselves and their relationship to where they live?
I think the longing in general is an unavoidable byproduct of immortality. After millenia, even the most contended hearts grow restless. The longing for the sea is probably tied to the echoes of the Great Music.

6. The Noldor and Vanyar traveled by island – what trick did Ulmo use to get the Teleri to Aman? And what was it that Osse said that convinced some of them to stick around and become the Falathrim, even though they longed for Aman and their friends? Does love of kin overpower love of paradise for the Elves?
I don't know if Ulmo tricked the Teleri as much as they finally made up their minds. After years of searching for Elwe, they finally decided to get on with their lives. Regarding Osse, the Falathrim most likely already had a small part of them that desired to live in Middle Earth by the sea. Osse only nurtured those thoughts, most likely out of love for the Eldar. That said, part of me wonders if Osse perhaps played fast and loose with his power. Given that at one point he was temporarily seduced by Melkor to be the 'Bad Ulmo', I wonder if he didn't tempt the Falathrim with special knowledge/power, just like another of Melkor's servants later would in the Second Age, in order to have subjects to serve and worship him.



As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.

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*Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 1 -- Who Goes and Who Stays* weaver Send a private message to weaver Feb 21 2013, 6:03am
    Weaver! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 21 2013, 12:46pm
    Long journeys on a muddy boat elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 21 2013, 7:40pm
        Sea-longing- a personal Tolkien thing? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 21 2013, 10:58pm
            Maybe an early childhood experience FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 22 2013, 10:48am
                I agree elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Feb 22 2013, 12:22pm
                    About the gulls FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 22 2013, 2:31pm
                    And welcome to the Reading Room! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 22 2013, 3:15pm
                        Thanks for the welcome elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Feb 22 2013, 6:47pm
    Passage and memory, hope and regret, duty and love. squire Send a private message to squire Feb 22 2013, 3:36pm
        Alas for the wailing of the gulls... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 22 2013, 5:05pm
            'In Eressea, in Elvenhome that no man can discover, Where the leaves fall not: land of my people for ever!' squire Send a private message to squire Feb 22 2013, 8:08pm
    Home sweet home CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 23 2013, 11:29pm
        Mmm, tuna... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 24 2013, 5:12pm
    Quick answers - part II sador Send a private message to sador Feb 26 2013, 2:56pm
    Sorry I'm so late to the party Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Feb 27 2013, 7:38pm
        Good observation CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 27 2013, 7:52pm
            Perhaps even Finwe Send a private message to Finwe Feb 28 2013, 2:17pm
    a few thoughts telain Send a private message to telain Feb 27 2013, 8:03pm

 
 
 

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