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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 17 2013, 7:12am
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The joy can only be in experiencing the journey
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I am sure this will have been discussed before but when judging the moments of jeopardy and how they are played out in the movies your point is key. Take two scenes which many have expressed disappointment at :- 1) The Stone Giants. They are canon so they should be in. We should see the spectacle realised and the jeopardy should be operatic rather than gritty. The reason it doesn't work for me is in the imagery and the execution. 2) Goblin Town. Ditto above but the reason it works for me is the imagery and atmosphere generated is spot on in my minds eye. Most important is Gandalfs' magic is core Tolkien. To analyize at an engineering real physical world level the balance of probability of any of the Dwarves getting cracked ribs or surviving at all is to me to miss the point. We all know hundreds of people have spent thousands of hours working on these films so we get to experience middle earth again which so many appeared to want. But none of that works without the script having a heart a pulse at the centre that we relate to. If we do not think it has and we have not related to that with the first one we may as well not turn up for the second and third movie. If it has not moved us then all we are left with is critiques about changes, humour and the directors style of film making. It doesn't matter that people have different responces and people can go on discussing this (and will) until the end of the fourth age but when one is far in to a subject there is a real danger of losing the central point did I like the film or not enough to see it again or see more of them. In general if one doesn't like AUJ expect not to like the rest. They are going to be about three characters journeys played out against PJ's vision of middle earth and how he sees to make a film for a global audience using the spine of the book and overlaying appendices material and gaining "inspiration" from the books they can not directly utilise. In fact it would be interesting to hear from people who having seen the first movie have decided not to carry on because this re imagining does not do anything for them weighed down by so many faults. It is not the duty of devoted Tolkien fans to sit through more of this to be bitterly disappointed. Lost tension is inevitable is it not as this is a 'prequel'. Audiences know that Bilbo amongst many other characters in TH, survive the journey, so any real attempt by PJ and co, in fact any director or writer to, present us with scenes where Bilbo's life seem genuinely in peril, and full of dark forboding would seem fake. Almost every member of any cinema in the world watching AUJ knows that Bilbo doesn't get eaten by Trolls, or becomes lunch for Gollum. In fact, AUJ has left those without knowledge of the book with a sense of safety and security, something some critics have fallen for too bemoaning the fact that no one will die in The Hobbit films and everyone will live happily ever after... I tried to save the shire , and it has been but not for me.
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What do you dislike the most : TH AUJ
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:02am
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Trolls
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 1:13am
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And I cannot for the life of me understand why Gandalf wasn't given his entire "Dawn take you all and be stone to you" line
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:36am
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I've wondered about that, too.
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Feb 15 2013, 12:34pm
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Just a wee bit of disappointment
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 14 2013, 2:07am
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I saw it again this past Saturday afternoon,
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sauget.diblosio
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Feb 14 2013, 2:33am
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I'll do a top ten list real quick...
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 3:43am
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Radagast
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glor
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27am
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I disagree
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 15 2013, 7:25pm
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I am familiar with McCoys work
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:48pm
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Yes I know you're familiar
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 16 2013, 11:16am
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Alteration of The Dwarven History, Alteration to Angmar's history, problems with certain character dynamics in The Council scene, Too Much Stone and Too much giant. . .
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:13am
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Epic post
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 6:04pm
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Great post! And I completely agree about Radagast.
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:08pm
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GT
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TFP
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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You have nailed it
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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I don't know about nailed it.
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 2:09pm
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They nailed it ;)
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 2:53pm
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Negative posts
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 3:26pm
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I think this was one mistake for me
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 4:16pm
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Thought vs Thought lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 3:51pm
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Great rant
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:53pm
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Hmmm. Why do I hear "scrubbing bubbles" echoing in my head?!!!!! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:13pm
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Yeah, I'm trying to coin the phrase "tolkien goggles"
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:07pm
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It doesn't make every film instantly enjoyable....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 7:29pm
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Maybe not where you live :P
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 8:06pm
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Well yes, of course, anything in the film could have been done differently...
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 11:21pm
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Bomby agrees W/ dormouse..completely...
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Bombadil
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Feb 15 2013, 12:15am
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I want them to do their thing
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:22am
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I am emphatically stating my opinion
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:17am
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I feel for ya
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jtarkey
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Feb 15 2013, 12:44am
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Frivolous Modsuits
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 1:04am
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Help! Help! I'm bein' repressed!
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:17am
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Context
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 12:49am
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Emotional and aesthetic positioning
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 15 2013, 11:48am
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Concerning diviniti and killing and a begginer Andy Serkis as a director
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Pretty much
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:30pm
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The Bunny Sled Chase
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Elutherian
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Feb 14 2013, 3:46am
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Identical to mine
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totoro
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Feb 14 2013, 6:46am
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yes, the chase itself is the biggest weakness
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Silmaril
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Feb 14 2013, 10:44am
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Tru dat
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TwirlingThorin
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Feb 15 2013, 10:56pm
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Three Things
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JWPlatt
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Feb 14 2013, 4:13am
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The start of the credits.
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Roheryn
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Feb 14 2013, 4:25am
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Brilliant! And ditto! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:05am
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Fall of the Goblin King
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Sślimė
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Feb 14 2013, 4:41am
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Slightly disliked
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cats16
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Feb 14 2013, 5:01am
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It was way too short
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Kangi Ska
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Feb 14 2013, 6:36am
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Hahahaha! Yes indeed! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:04am
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Wild applause!
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:51am
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Not for me
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27pm
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Haha!
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Owain
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Feb 14 2013, 6:37pm
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Negativity for its own sake! //
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:50am
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Pretty much lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 12:24pm
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Why label it like that, "negativity for its own sake"?
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 4:20pm
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Macfeast and Inin
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 4:45pm
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Because that's how it seemed to me
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:58pm
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OP may not have asked directly, word-for-word for thoughtful discussion.
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 7:09pm
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Perhaps we should Ask
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:06pm
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Sometimes, negativity can bring positivity
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:16pm
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In fact
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:05pm
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And the
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:25pm
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Positivity is constructive....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:52pm
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I think this thread is rather excellent, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:16am
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I disliked only these things
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 12:01pm
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I'm OK with most of the cinematic "cliches"...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 12:03pm
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"That'll do it."
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utku
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Feb 14 2013, 12:49pm
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Excesses of Spielbergian proportion...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 1:04pm
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Agreed but
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:39pm
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Too much...
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 14 2013, 1:57pm
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Yep, the totally unnatural lighting was another...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 5:09pm
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Yeah i agree
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 5:15pm
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Hi there
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm
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I guess my main dislike can be summed up in one word:
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Old Toby
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Feb 14 2013, 3:56pm
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I like his design
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:56pm
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I loved Azog
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 10:58pm
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Oh no! A positive post in a negative thread! ;)
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:53am
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Most of my complaints stem from the "fan-fiction" portions
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Salmacis81
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Feb 14 2013, 6:06pm
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Another 'complaint'
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 6:13pm
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Ditto
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 6:29pm
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Easy - Goblin Town escape above all
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elostirion74
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Feb 14 2013, 11:41pm
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Some thoughts and opinions
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Idhreneth
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Feb 15 2013, 12:08am
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He's only a very newly arisen, baby witch king after all! : p //
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:33am
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The use of the "Nazgul" theme
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:35am
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That bothered me too, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:31am
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I disliked a couple of things
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Ham_Sammy
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Feb 15 2013, 2:37am
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The Misty Mountain theme...
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 4:13am
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It felt that needed a little bit more of gasoline
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:26pm
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Someone that gets me!!!
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Give me fuel give me fire!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:53pm
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Not so much
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CathrineB
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Feb 15 2013, 12:46pm
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He was
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Arannir
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Feb 15 2013, 1:11pm
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On CGI
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:45pm
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Trolls scene from the moment
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maut
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Feb 15 2013, 6:02pm
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my main complaint
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Elenorflower
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Feb 15 2013, 11:09pm
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Getting to the nub of the challange
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 11:30am
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thank you for your comments
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 1:01pm
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Chaucer a better example
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:30pm
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Some people
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:55pm
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Observation
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:36pm
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It was made as a joke
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:39pm
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Majority Rules
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:45pm
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very true
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:48pm
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But this isn't a hunting trip.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:49pm
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Learning From History
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:36pm
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However...
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:41pm
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Films He Likes To See
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:45pm
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And that's good
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:53pm
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Great Summary
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:19pm
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I have to agree as usual...
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Eleniel
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Feb 16 2013, 1:30pm
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Well, it is a children's book
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:24pm
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On lost tension and manners
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 4:33pm
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thats interesting
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 5:02pm
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I thought
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:53pm
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Differences in manners are cultural..
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 6:16pm
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The class system idea
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:29pm
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the thing I like most about Tolkien
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 8:12pm
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The joy can only be in experiencing the journey
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 17 2013, 7:12am
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I really like this.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 11:09pm
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A helping hand to our destiny
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 18 2013, 10:22pm
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Balance
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JWPlatt
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Feb 19 2013, 12:14am
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This one criticism rings most true to me, aside from those about major changes to the history of the legendarium itself.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:37pm
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reply
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:44pm
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Indeed.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 8:50pm
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Thank you
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Elessar
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Feb 16 2013, 11:08pm
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Thank you very much and you are welcome for what i said :)
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imin
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Feb 17 2013, 1:29am
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Absolutely. The excess damaged what I thought were otherwise quite good scenes.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 5:37am
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THIS!
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:05am
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Give me any work of art or literature.
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:19pm
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I just thought of another one ...
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:24pm
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This one is actually true.
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 12:23am
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Goblin King's one liner
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WhiskFishercat
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Feb 16 2013, 12:37am
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That it's not at my theatre anymore *chin quivers* //
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 16 2013, 3:27am
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"NO! SEBASTIAN!" //
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:41pm
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I don't get the Bombur complaints.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:46pm
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You have mentioned almost all the times his weight has caused something different for himself
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:57pm
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I have indeed discussed this before
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:04pm
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There was someone else
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:25pm
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Bombur
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 7:21pm
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It was more than adequate compared to the book at this point
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:24pm
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I think it's too early to say
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:29pm
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Bofur, Dori and Ori recieved noticable attention. And, to a lesser extent,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:38pm
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Oh yeah so did Bofur
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:47pm
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Tolkien, though, made no claims that all dwarves would get attention.
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Macfeast
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Feb 17 2013, 12:26am
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IDK
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:12am
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My turn!
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anagum
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Feb 20 2013, 3:29am
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