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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:29pm
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works better for the elves - the calaquendi and the moriquendi. They are of the same species/race but ended up on different paths due to some choices their ancestors made, same as upper to lower classes I can see where you are coming from with the different species essentially being different levels of classes of people. The elves being upper class, men being could be any but guess middle? dwarves being working class im assuming. The thing is it doesnt work for the royalty of each race - they were all thought of by Tolkien as noble - upper class The manners in the books of the dwarves are less than the high elves but they are not at the level shown in the film - complete lack of social skills - its amazing they even got to bag-end! That is one of the things about the movie that annoys me - they don't show much variation in the races as they are trying to show - the elves are all like this, dwarves like this. Where as we know that isn't true from reading the books and there was more diversity in their personalities. Sometimes i think people can read into the books what they want as you say experienced by our own life experiences, cultures and knowledge. Personally i can see what you mean, though i feel it is trying to bridge a gap between the movie and book which can't be explained by Tolkien, its simply stretching too far and essentially PJ did it because he wants to make each race really obviously different and get some laughs. I really dont think he is trying to show different class systems at work. Like i say i really don't think Tolkien meant the dwarves to be Northerners - of which one can be working class, middle or upper class - the view of the film of dwarves so far would be akin to what a close minded sheltered Southerner has about a Northerner. And the opposite is true for how the dwarves feel about the elves.
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What do you dislike the most : TH AUJ
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:02am
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Trolls
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 1:13am
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And I cannot for the life of me understand why Gandalf wasn't given his entire "Dawn take you all and be stone to you" line
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:36am
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I've wondered about that, too.
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Feb 15 2013, 12:34pm
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Just a wee bit of disappointment
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 14 2013, 2:07am
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I saw it again this past Saturday afternoon,
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sauget.diblosio
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Feb 14 2013, 2:33am
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I'll do a top ten list real quick...
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 3:43am
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Radagast
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glor
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27am
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I disagree
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 15 2013, 7:25pm
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I am familiar with McCoys work
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:48pm
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Yes I know you're familiar
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 16 2013, 11:16am
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Alteration of The Dwarven History, Alteration to Angmar's history, problems with certain character dynamics in The Council scene, Too Much Stone and Too much giant. . .
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:13am
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Epic post
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 6:04pm
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Great post! And I completely agree about Radagast.
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:08pm
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GT
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TFP
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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You have nailed it
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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I don't know about nailed it.
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 2:09pm
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They nailed it ;)
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 2:53pm
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Negative posts
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 3:26pm
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I think this was one mistake for me
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 4:16pm
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Thought vs Thought lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 3:51pm
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Great rant
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:53pm
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Hmmm. Why do I hear "scrubbing bubbles" echoing in my head?!!!!! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:13pm
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Yeah, I'm trying to coin the phrase "tolkien goggles"
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:07pm
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It doesn't make every film instantly enjoyable....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 7:29pm
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Maybe not where you live :P
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 8:06pm
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Well yes, of course, anything in the film could have been done differently...
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 11:21pm
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Bomby agrees W/ dormouse..completely...
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Bombadil
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Feb 15 2013, 12:15am
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I want them to do their thing
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:22am
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I am emphatically stating my opinion
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:17am
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I feel for ya
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jtarkey
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Feb 15 2013, 12:44am
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Frivolous Modsuits
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 1:04am
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Help! Help! I'm bein' repressed!
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:17am
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Context
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 12:49am
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Emotional and aesthetic positioning
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 15 2013, 11:48am
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Concerning diviniti and killing and a begginer Andy Serkis as a director
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Pretty much
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:30pm
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The Bunny Sled Chase
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Elutherian
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Feb 14 2013, 3:46am
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Identical to mine
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totoro
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Feb 14 2013, 6:46am
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yes, the chase itself is the biggest weakness
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Silmaril
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Feb 14 2013, 10:44am
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Tru dat
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TwirlingThorin
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Feb 15 2013, 10:56pm
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Three Things
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JWPlatt
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Feb 14 2013, 4:13am
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The start of the credits.
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Roheryn
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Feb 14 2013, 4:25am
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Brilliant! And ditto! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:05am
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Fall of the Goblin King
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Sślimė
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Feb 14 2013, 4:41am
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Slightly disliked
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cats16
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Feb 14 2013, 5:01am
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It was way too short
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Kangi Ska
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Feb 14 2013, 6:36am
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Hahahaha! Yes indeed! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:04am
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Wild applause!
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:51am
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Not for me
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27pm
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Haha!
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Owain
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Feb 14 2013, 6:37pm
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Negativity for its own sake! //
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:50am
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Pretty much lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 12:24pm
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Why label it like that, "negativity for its own sake"?
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 4:20pm
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Macfeast and Inin
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 4:45pm
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Because that's how it seemed to me
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:58pm
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OP may not have asked directly, word-for-word for thoughtful discussion.
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 7:09pm
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Perhaps we should Ask
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:06pm
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Sometimes, negativity can bring positivity
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:16pm
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In fact
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:05pm
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And the
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:25pm
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Positivity is constructive....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:52pm
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I think this thread is rather excellent, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:16am
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I disliked only these things
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 12:01pm
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I'm OK with most of the cinematic "cliches"...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 12:03pm
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"That'll do it."
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utku
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Feb 14 2013, 12:49pm
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Excesses of Spielbergian proportion...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 1:04pm
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Agreed but
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:39pm
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Too much...
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 14 2013, 1:57pm
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Yep, the totally unnatural lighting was another...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 5:09pm
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Yeah i agree
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 5:15pm
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Hi there
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm
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I guess my main dislike can be summed up in one word:
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Old Toby
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Feb 14 2013, 3:56pm
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I like his design
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:56pm
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I loved Azog
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 10:58pm
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Oh no! A positive post in a negative thread! ;)
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:53am
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Most of my complaints stem from the "fan-fiction" portions
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Salmacis81
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Feb 14 2013, 6:06pm
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Another 'complaint'
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 6:13pm
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Ditto
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 6:29pm
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Easy - Goblin Town escape above all
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elostirion74
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Feb 14 2013, 11:41pm
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Some thoughts and opinions
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Idhreneth
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Feb 15 2013, 12:08am
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He's only a very newly arisen, baby witch king after all! : p //
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:33am
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The use of the "Nazgul" theme
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:35am
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That bothered me too, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:31am
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I disliked a couple of things
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Ham_Sammy
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Feb 15 2013, 2:37am
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The Misty Mountain theme...
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 4:13am
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It felt that needed a little bit more of gasoline
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:26pm
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Someone that gets me!!!
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Give me fuel give me fire!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:53pm
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Not so much
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CathrineB
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Feb 15 2013, 12:46pm
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He was
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Arannir
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Feb 15 2013, 1:11pm
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On CGI
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:45pm
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Trolls scene from the moment
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maut
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Feb 15 2013, 6:02pm
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my main complaint
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Elenorflower
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Feb 15 2013, 11:09pm
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Getting to the nub of the challange
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 11:30am
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thank you for your comments
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 1:01pm
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Chaucer a better example
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:30pm
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Some people
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:55pm
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Observation
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:36pm
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It was made as a joke
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:39pm
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Majority Rules
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:45pm
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very true
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:48pm
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But this isn't a hunting trip.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:49pm
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Learning From History
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:36pm
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However...
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:41pm
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Films He Likes To See
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:45pm
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And that's good
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:53pm
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Great Summary
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:19pm
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I have to agree as usual...
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Eleniel
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Feb 16 2013, 1:30pm
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Well, it is a children's book
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:24pm
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On lost tension and manners
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 4:33pm
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thats interesting
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 5:02pm
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I thought
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:53pm
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Differences in manners are cultural..
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 6:16pm
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The class system idea
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:29pm
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the thing I like most about Tolkien
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 8:12pm
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The joy can only be in experiencing the journey
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 17 2013, 7:12am
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I really like this.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 11:09pm
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A helping hand to our destiny
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 18 2013, 10:22pm
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Balance
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JWPlatt
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Feb 19 2013, 12:14am
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This one criticism rings most true to me, aside from those about major changes to the history of the legendarium itself.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:37pm
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reply
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:44pm
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Indeed.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 8:50pm
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Thank you
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Elessar
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Feb 16 2013, 11:08pm
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Thank you very much and you are welcome for what i said :)
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imin
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Feb 17 2013, 1:29am
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Absolutely. The excess damaged what I thought were otherwise quite good scenes.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 5:37am
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THIS!
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:05am
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Give me any work of art or literature.
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:19pm
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I just thought of another one ...
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:24pm
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This one is actually true.
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 12:23am
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Goblin King's one liner
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WhiskFishercat
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Feb 16 2013, 12:37am
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That it's not at my theatre anymore *chin quivers* //
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 16 2013, 3:27am
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"NO! SEBASTIAN!" //
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:41pm
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I don't get the Bombur complaints.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:46pm
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You have mentioned almost all the times his weight has caused something different for himself
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:57pm
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I have indeed discussed this before
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:04pm
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There was someone else
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:25pm
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Bombur
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 7:21pm
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It was more than adequate compared to the book at this point
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:24pm
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I think it's too early to say
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:29pm
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Bofur, Dori and Ori recieved noticable attention. And, to a lesser extent,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:38pm
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Oh yeah so did Bofur
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:47pm
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Tolkien, though, made no claims that all dwarves would get attention.
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Macfeast
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Feb 17 2013, 12:26am
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IDK
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:12am
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My turn!
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anagum
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Feb 20 2013, 3:29am
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