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CuriousG
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Feb 15 2013, 1:51am


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Thanks for all your excellent observations, as usual!

Do you consider this a flaw, or a feature, of Arda's theology? Could this explain the question you've asked in Main, as to why there is no Vala-based cult?
I find it personally frustrating that the Valar aren't greater activists. The story wouldn't be as good if they intervened constantly, but even so, I could use a little more intervention from them. Though as for cults, or religions in general, I don't think their inactivity would turn off too many followers. There are certainly many cults where the less their god(s) answer their prayers, the more fervently they pray.

If Tolkien wanted his "gods" to sit on the sidelines, that is valid, but I would say it's a flaw in his writing that he doesn't give us more convincing reasons for their behavior. A lot of people have this same question. I'm not suggesting this literally, just on the fly, but suppose he said Melkor hexed the other Valar to be frozen for a thousand years. That would be an explanation we could accept. At one point US policy in Vietnam was "to save this country from destruction, we must destroy it." The Valar seem just as irrational with, "to save Arda from destruction, we must do nothing."

Do you think this is the true history of the Elves - one of neglected children?
The Elves do seem neglected, but Men fare far worse. You don't see the Valar out looking for them or leading them to paradise.

And by the way - there are absolutely no indications of Dwarves hating Ents for the massacre at Sarn Athrad, are there? Gimli seems utterly clueless regarding their very existence.
Good point. But I'm not sure the other Dwarves knew who killed off their kin. They may have later found the corpses at Sarn Athrad, and the gold in the river was a giveaway, but it seems only a small remnant of the whole force made it to the mountains, and the Ents killed off all of them, leaving no witnesses. Overall, the fact that no one in the Third Age knows about Ents makes them seem about as vigilant as the Valar as guardians, which isn't a flattering comparison.

There'e the end of The Hobbit, Farmer Giles of Ham and Leaf by Niggle. Also Roverandom. Isn't that enough?
No, sorry. :)

Who can tell what would have happened otherwise? Many of the Valar's decisions in the first chapters are open to questions, but it is wrong to blame all the woes that befell afterwards on any single one.
True. Anything could have happened had they all stayed in Middle-earth. There could have been Kinslayings there and fights over other things. And Melkor probably would have killed off the Two Trees and darkened Valinor anyway. Oh, Doom, how do we escape thee?


Subject User Time
The Silmarillion discussion: Of the Coming of the Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:34am
    Brief comment from "Arda Reconstructed" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:55am
        I'm enjoying seeing these brief comments from AR Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 1 2013, 7:34pm
        As far as I remember, not exactly. sador Send a private message to sador Feb 12 2013, 9:33pm
            Some corrections Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 2:41am
                Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 13 2013, 5:12pm
                    Food for thought is good! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 7:00pm
                        "It needed a week's answer, or none." sador Send a private message to sador Feb 15 2013, 2:04pm
                            I'm always interested in what you have to say! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 15 2013, 3:51pm
    birth and other questions fo Elves elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 1 2013, 4:15pm
        >>Why do you think Melkor was nibbling around the edges of the Elves and kidnapping them a few at a time? Why not enslave them all at once? They weren't exactly a fighting force. Asger Send a private message to Asger Feb 1 2013, 6:57pm
        Elves and the bad guy CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm
    great post! I hope my answers measure up... telain Send a private message to telain Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
        Doom and Deepness and Damned, sexy orcs noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 6:06pm
            Mandos and his secrets CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 9:12pm
                doomed by doom? telain Send a private message to telain Feb 5 2013, 4:32pm
        Valar and Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:02pm
    Of Elves and Orcs--more info CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:56pm
    Answers at last sador Send a private message to sador Feb 11 2013, 12:16pm
        late thought about stars, and links to real Earth noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:35pm
            Oh, the next chapter disscussion HAS started... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:38pm
            Middle-earth and Real-earth telain Send a private message to telain Feb 12 2013, 4:25pm
        Answers to answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 15 2013, 1:51am

 
 
 

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