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Thingol's resume


Feb 15 2013, 1:29am

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Thingol's resume [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't pretend to have answers for you since I have many of the same questions. I'll stab here and there.

First of all why is he chosen to be a king? There are most likely thousands of elves at this time, was there an election?
I think we're to believe that certain people are born to be royalty. The others -- Ingwe, Finwe, and Olwe -- became kings without elections or any sort of acclaim by chieftains, and without military victories or other usual determinants of kings. And somehow Ingwe became High King over the others. I'm never quite sure why that happened either. But I suppose that since Elwe was a recognized leader of the Teleri, once he turned up again, he was able to continue in that role. Having a divine wife upped his odds too.

Haughtiness: I agree with you 100%. I never warm up to Thingol, and I've tried. It seems at every turning point he proves himself to be petty, vain, and even mean-spirited. His pride is too easily wounded, and it's silly, as the Noldor say themselves, that he "allows" them to live in Beleriand when he had lost control of it. When Men appear, the other Elves embrace them, but he gives them the cold shoulder. When Beren dares to desire his daughter, he comes up with a fiendish, impossible task designed to kill Beren, which reminds me of the nasty kings in fairy tales. When the Silmaril ultimately leads to Thingol's death, one is tempted to tell him "Serves you right." Compare him to Cirdan, who had not even been to Valinor, and Thingol doesn't look so wise or benevolent. Though he's supposed to be influenced by Melian's wisdom, it's hard to see how. He comes across as the dim one in the marriage, a la Celeborn and Galadriel.

OK, I admit I'm bashing him, and to be fair, I'd welcome the perspective of one of his fans so I won't be so negative.

Subject User Time
Silmarillion Discussion: Of Thingol and Melian, #2 NZ Strider Send a private message to NZ Strider Feb 12 2013, 1:22am
    La Belle Dame Sans Chimichurri squire Send a private message to squire Feb 12 2013, 2:35am
        Perhaps Gov. Sanford demonstrated NZ Strider Send a private message to NZ Strider Feb 12 2013, 7:48am
            Whose enchantment is it anyway? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 12 2013, 6:00pm
    Is it just a "stock theme" though? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 13 2013, 4:31pm
    Love and enchantment elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 13 2013, 8:13pm
    Feminine wiles CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 14 2013, 1:52am
    posting previous questions here now elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm
        Thingol's resume CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 15 2013, 1:29am
    Late answers sador Send a private message to sador Feb 17 2013, 3:25pm
    a few thoughts on several great comments telain Send a private message to telain Feb 20 2013, 11:51pm
        Hyperlink to next chapter noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 21 2013, 10:21pm


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