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posting previous questions here now

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Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm


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I posted questions about Thingol a couple weeks ago and decided to wait on this discussion to repost them However I lost the original questions. Below is the best I can remember of what they were.
While reading through the SIL I am always captured at moments by the character of Thingol. Not necessarily in a good way. So many questions arise about him and to me it starts in the beginning. Some of my questions may come from the fact that I read very fast and may miss things at times. These questions involve his character throughout the SIL.
First of all why is he chosen to be a king? There are most likely thousands of elves at this time, was there an election?
Secondly, we see him establish a kingdom and basically lay claim to all of Beleriand. He doesnít prove himself in battle, he just falls in love with a Maiar and she chooses a form of an elf maiden and they have a kid together.
How does this establish him as a ruler, what are his qualifications?
Now comes the questions that perhaps will give you a clue to my angst towards Elu Thingol. Later in the SIL we see him doing and controlling more. He gives the Noldor leave to dwell in certain places, to which they have great reply about how they basically saved his kingdom, nevertheless he is stern and quite haughty.
What do you think of his character at that point of history?
Futher along we see the coming of Men into Beleriand, this is the first place we see a bit of racism from Thingol, though Melian prophecies the coming of Beren.
Why is Thingol so against men? Does this add or take away from his character for you?
Finally it all comes home to roost in his own house. Beren makes it into Doriath, Luthien falls in love with a person of a different race(the apple doesnít fall far from the tree I guess). Thingol shows his normal haughty self, he calls Beren names, though for his part Beren has done nothing wrong, and has actually come through a good deal more than Thingol ever thought about doing. Nonetheless he attempts the king David thing and basically sends him to his death, though Beren ends up making it back alive, though losing a hand.
How does this action effect Thingolís future behavior, and his legacy as an elf lord?
How does he change his mind so quickly about Beren?
When Beren saves his life, does this cause a real change in Thingol, or has the curse on the Silmaril already taken hold of him because he sought to claim it by sending Beren to get it?
What are you overall feelings towards Thingol as a character?
Do you think he could represent an medieval aristocrat in Tolkienís mind?



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Silmarillion Discussion: Of Thingol and Melian, #2 NZ Strider Send a private message to NZ Strider Feb 12 2013, 1:22am
    La Belle Dame Sans Chimichurri squire Send a private message to squire Feb 12 2013, 2:35am
        Perhaps Gov. Sanford demonstrated NZ Strider Send a private message to NZ Strider Feb 12 2013, 7:48am
            Whose enchantment is it anyway? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 12 2013, 6:00pm
    Is it just a "stock theme" though? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 13 2013, 4:31pm
    Love and enchantment elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 13 2013, 8:13pm
    Feminine wiles CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 14 2013, 1:52am
    posting previous questions here now elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm
        Thingol's resume CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 15 2013, 1:29am
    Late answers sador Send a private message to sador Feb 17 2013, 3:25pm
    a few thoughts on several great comments telain Send a private message to telain Feb 20 2013, 11:51pm
        Hyperlink to next chapter noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 21 2013, 10:21pm

 
 
 

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