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Elessar
Valinor
Feb 14 2013, 3:51pm
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Whenever there is a thread that is critical it instantly gets labelled negative and then people who love the movie look down their nose at those people like 'oh they just don't get it' etc. I would like to point out it can happen the other way as well but generally not so much. Take that thread the other day where the person said the movie sucked. OK he spoke in a way as to get a rise out of people - but i actually agreed with most of the comments if not the way they were said. But people came in and insulted him and looked down at him - dismissing his thoughts as they weren't 'positive'. If someone had written the same way but praising the film then everyone would have been welcoming etc - essentially some people are not open to critical debate of the film. Others i think are just as much 'trolls' but the other way - continual praise but with no explanation. Sure some will do that. I think though I think labeling it negative if there is an obvious movement to that or you can tell its just being negative to be negative. It can happen the otherway as you said but it doesn't happen as much because I think people generally want to talk about what they like. Insulting someone is not the way to be. I agree totally with you on that point. However, if you come in like that you better expect someone isn't going to hold back on you. Well, the thing is as I said people want to talk about what they liked about the film or another subject if it was different. So of course a positive thread is going to be welcomed more that should be expected. A fair ciritical thread (though I think this can just be done within a general thread) would be accepted (look at the thread started by issac) I agree some cannot take the critical debate and some cannot take seeing praise. You can only troll either way IMO if you go about insult or come across like a jerk with your posts. Its much easier to troll though in my experience posting on message boards if you have more of a negative attitude. A good poster (hope its ok to say this) would be someone like AinurOlorin - says what they like/dislike in a respectful way but also explains why they think like that which is very helpful in seeing their point of view - to be fair many including yourself do that I agree AO does a great job. He's a fun read and gives you well thought out ideas. He's one of my favorite reads on the board so I'm with ya. I agree again I think we have lots of folks here who explain things. It makes understanding their love or dislike much easier. I try. I'm probably not as good as most but my passion for Middle-earth is deep so I hope that comes across. Also the amount of critical threads is far less than the number of less critical threads - why do people have to keep repeating their comments - well for both groups they like to share those opinions and thoughts. If that is how it is then a forum might as well just stop for talking about the movies as everyone has pretty much said what they think about the film so nothing more to talk about right? Over time the hobbit board will become like the lotr board - the odd post talking about it in a positive way - but ultimately it just ain't as good sadly. I agree people love sharing their thoughts. I just prefer to see people putting thoughts all in the same thread. I don't know. I much prefer to talk about what I love about these films than really talk about what I don't. Yes just because someone doesn't mention a scene doesn't mean it isn't annoying. But that is exactly what i was getting at - most people who either love the film, like the film, dont like it, or hate it - have very similar scenes that they DO like. I agree again. There are scenes in ever movie a group of fans in general will like and of course not like. The difference between the faults you have with the film and the faults of others is yours are extremely minor - some troll snot, bird poop and that's about it. Now that is nothing really and genuinely i am pleased for you as you got to see another film you love and it fits in with your view of the work. Yes, the issues I have with the film are pretty minor. Thank you! I wish everyone felt the same. If I really sat down and wanted to be extra critical I could pick things I really don't like. Things like with The Lord of the Rings like Frodo showing the ring to a Ringwraith or Frodo sending Sam away. As a whole though I loved it a lot. But if there is something bigger bothering you about the film - such as its over reliance on CGI or pace or colour grading for example - its harder to roll your eyes and just go with it as it is there throughout the whole film. Yes and no. Like I said those two events with Frodo I really don't care for at all. At this point I know they're coming and so I deal with it. Obviously this is easier said than done but I felt like the CGI and Colour Grading was pretty darn good. So it comes to scaling things as you say - for you there is almost no things you don't like, verses the massive amount you do like - therefore you like the film. For others there is a mixture of both - can see both positive and negative parts of the film (in their eyes) and then there are people who disliked a lot of the film and so have an overall disliking for the film. Correct ones mileage will vary. As i have said though i think (i truly hope) with the release of the EE's we will get more quiet moments/character moments (which for me anyway) will help it have a better pace/flow. I do think the EE will be even better. I think we got a decent amount of those in the TE but I would take more in the EE. The Hobbit needs it to help felsh out so many characters. It is much better to try and not let the negatives engulf something - i think for me (and clearly a fair few) on this occasion there were just a few too many scenes not to their liking - perhaps this was due to emotional attachment to the hobbit from reading it as a child or not, i really dont know. Obviously some didn't care for a fwe things. I think it comes down to what you had built up in your mind more so than anything. I love Middle-earth and the world Tolkien created. So I feel its more that than attachment because I feel at this point I have a fairly strong announcement. Still the books will always be there and as good as ever so it shouldn't get too serious in here, lol. As you say, better to just have fun The books are amazing and will always offer exactly what people are looking for. p.s. sorry for mini rant, lol. No worries.
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What do you dislike the most : TH AUJ
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:02am
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Trolls
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 1:13am
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And I cannot for the life of me understand why Gandalf wasn't given his entire "Dawn take you all and be stone to you" line
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:36am
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I've wondered about that, too.
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Feb 15 2013, 12:34pm
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Just a wee bit of disappointment
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 14 2013, 2:07am
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I saw it again this past Saturday afternoon,
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sauget.diblosio
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Feb 14 2013, 2:33am
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I'll do a top ten list real quick...
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 3:43am
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Radagast
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glor
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27am
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I disagree
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 15 2013, 7:25pm
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I am familiar with McCoys work
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:48pm
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Yes I know you're familiar
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 16 2013, 11:16am
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Alteration of The Dwarven History, Alteration to Angmar's history, problems with certain character dynamics in The Council scene, Too Much Stone and Too much giant. . .
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:13am
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Epic post
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 6:04pm
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Great post! And I completely agree about Radagast.
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:08pm
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GT
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TFP
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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You have nailed it
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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I don't know about nailed it.
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 2:09pm
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They nailed it ;)
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 2:53pm
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Negative posts
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 3:26pm
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I think this was one mistake for me
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 4:16pm
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Thought vs Thought lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 3:51pm
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Great rant
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:53pm
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Hmmm. Why do I hear "scrubbing bubbles" echoing in my head?!!!!! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:13pm
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Yeah, I'm trying to coin the phrase "tolkien goggles"
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:07pm
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It doesn't make every film instantly enjoyable....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 7:29pm
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Maybe not where you live :P
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 8:06pm
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Well yes, of course, anything in the film could have been done differently...
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 11:21pm
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Bomby agrees W/ dormouse..completely...
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Bombadil
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Feb 15 2013, 12:15am
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I want them to do their thing
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:22am
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I am emphatically stating my opinion
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:17am
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I feel for ya
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jtarkey
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Feb 15 2013, 12:44am
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Frivolous Modsuits
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 1:04am
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Help! Help! I'm bein' repressed!
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:17am
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Context
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 12:49am
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Emotional and aesthetic positioning
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 15 2013, 11:48am
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Concerning diviniti and killing and a begginer Andy Serkis as a director
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Pretty much
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:30pm
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The Bunny Sled Chase
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Elutherian
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Feb 14 2013, 3:46am
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Identical to mine
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totoro
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Feb 14 2013, 6:46am
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yes, the chase itself is the biggest weakness
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Silmaril
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Feb 14 2013, 10:44am
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Tru dat
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TwirlingThorin
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Feb 15 2013, 10:56pm
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Three Things
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JWPlatt
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Feb 14 2013, 4:13am
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The start of the credits.
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Roheryn
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Feb 14 2013, 4:25am
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Brilliant! And ditto! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:05am
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Fall of the Goblin King
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Sślimė
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Feb 14 2013, 4:41am
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Slightly disliked
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cats16
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Feb 14 2013, 5:01am
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It was way too short
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Kangi Ska
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Feb 14 2013, 6:36am
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Hahahaha! Yes indeed! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:04am
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Wild applause!
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:51am
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Not for me
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27pm
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Haha!
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Owain
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Feb 14 2013, 6:37pm
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Negativity for its own sake! //
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:50am
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Pretty much lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 12:24pm
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Why label it like that, "negativity for its own sake"?
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 4:20pm
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Macfeast and Inin
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 4:45pm
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Because that's how it seemed to me
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:58pm
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OP may not have asked directly, word-for-word for thoughtful discussion.
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 7:09pm
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Perhaps we should Ask
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:06pm
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Sometimes, negativity can bring positivity
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:16pm
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In fact
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:05pm
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And the
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:25pm
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Positivity is constructive....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:52pm
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I think this thread is rather excellent, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:16am
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I disliked only these things
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 12:01pm
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I'm OK with most of the cinematic "cliches"...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 12:03pm
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"That'll do it."
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utku
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Feb 14 2013, 12:49pm
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Excesses of Spielbergian proportion...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 1:04pm
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Agreed but
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:39pm
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Too much...
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 14 2013, 1:57pm
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Yep, the totally unnatural lighting was another...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 5:09pm
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Yeah i agree
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 5:15pm
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Hi there
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm
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I guess my main dislike can be summed up in one word:
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Old Toby
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Feb 14 2013, 3:56pm
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I like his design
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:56pm
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I loved Azog
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 10:58pm
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Oh no! A positive post in a negative thread! ;)
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:53am
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Most of my complaints stem from the "fan-fiction" portions
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Salmacis81
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Feb 14 2013, 6:06pm
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Another 'complaint'
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 6:13pm
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Ditto
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 6:29pm
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Easy - Goblin Town escape above all
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elostirion74
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Feb 14 2013, 11:41pm
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Some thoughts and opinions
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Idhreneth
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Feb 15 2013, 12:08am
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He's only a very newly arisen, baby witch king after all! : p //
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:33am
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The use of the "Nazgul" theme
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:35am
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That bothered me too, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:31am
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I disliked a couple of things
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Ham_Sammy
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Feb 15 2013, 2:37am
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The Misty Mountain theme...
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 4:13am
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It felt that needed a little bit more of gasoline
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:26pm
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Someone that gets me!!!
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Give me fuel give me fire!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:53pm
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Not so much
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CathrineB
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Feb 15 2013, 12:46pm
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He was
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Arannir
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Feb 15 2013, 1:11pm
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On CGI
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:45pm
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Trolls scene from the moment
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maut
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Feb 15 2013, 6:02pm
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my main complaint
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Elenorflower
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Feb 15 2013, 11:09pm
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Getting to the nub of the challange
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 11:30am
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thank you for your comments
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 1:01pm
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Chaucer a better example
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:30pm
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Some people
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:55pm
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Observation
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:36pm
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It was made as a joke
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:39pm
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Majority Rules
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:45pm
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very true
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:48pm
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But this isn't a hunting trip.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:49pm
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Learning From History
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:36pm
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However...
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:41pm
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Films He Likes To See
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:45pm
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And that's good
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:53pm
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Great Summary
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:19pm
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I have to agree as usual...
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Eleniel
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Feb 16 2013, 1:30pm
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Well, it is a children's book
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:24pm
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On lost tension and manners
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 4:33pm
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thats interesting
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 5:02pm
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I thought
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:53pm
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Differences in manners are cultural..
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 6:16pm
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The class system idea
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:29pm
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the thing I like most about Tolkien
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 8:12pm
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The joy can only be in experiencing the journey
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 17 2013, 7:12am
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I really like this.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 11:09pm
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A helping hand to our destiny
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 18 2013, 10:22pm
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Balance
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JWPlatt
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Feb 19 2013, 12:14am
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This one criticism rings most true to me, aside from those about major changes to the history of the legendarium itself.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:37pm
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reply
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:44pm
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Indeed.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 8:50pm
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Thank you
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Elessar
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Feb 16 2013, 11:08pm
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Thank you very much and you are welcome for what i said :)
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imin
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Feb 17 2013, 1:29am
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Absolutely. The excess damaged what I thought were otherwise quite good scenes.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 5:37am
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THIS!
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:05am
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Give me any work of art or literature.
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:19pm
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I just thought of another one ...
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:24pm
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This one is actually true.
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 12:23am
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Goblin King's one liner
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WhiskFishercat
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Feb 16 2013, 12:37am
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That it's not at my theatre anymore *chin quivers* //
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 16 2013, 3:27am
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"NO! SEBASTIAN!" //
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:41pm
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I don't get the Bombur complaints.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:46pm
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You have mentioned almost all the times his weight has caused something different for himself
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:57pm
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I have indeed discussed this before
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:04pm
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There was someone else
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:25pm
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Bombur
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 7:21pm
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It was more than adequate compared to the book at this point
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:24pm
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I think it's too early to say
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:29pm
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Bofur, Dori and Ori recieved noticable attention. And, to a lesser extent,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:38pm
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Oh yeah so did Bofur
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:47pm
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Tolkien, though, made no claims that all dwarves would get attention.
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Macfeast
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Feb 17 2013, 12:26am
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IDK
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:12am
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My turn!
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anagum
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Feb 20 2013, 3:29am
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