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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 3:43am
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I'll do a top ten list real quick...
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10. General over-use of CGI throughout the whole film. It really took me out of the film instead of in. Being able tell fake from real so easily was a huge bummer for me, and is really the only thing that almost feels like a direct betrayal of the style and techniques used in the LOTR trilogy. 9. Radagast. His character isn't all that bad, it's just the things he is given to do that really bother me. He was able to easily off the witch king, and his mode of transportation really bothers me. This brings me to number 8... 8. The Warg/Rabbit sled chase. Not only is the scene pretty much impossible, it's really just a mess. It had terrible green screen which was worse than almost any green screen in the LOTR trilogy. The geography of the scene doesn't really seem to flow or make much sense. I could never get a good sense of where everyone was. This is also where Radagast disappears from the film, and it's just really strange. 7. Stone Giant's sequence. It's just too much. Seeing the stone giants battling, with a few close calls from boulders would have been fine. An elaborate, yet very short action sequence with knee surfing dwarves was just crazy. It didn't add to the film at all. 6. Azog. I can't really say the word "cliche" enough to sum up his character. I don't mind that he was added into the story, but his purpose was to speed things up. That's really all he did. There wasn't much dimension to his character at all. He was there simply to have someone for the company to run from. 5. Ori. His character was just really bad for me. He seemed more immature and ill-equipped than Bilbo did, which is very strange. Almost every line spoken by him made me cringe. The slingshot was just pointless. Even Bilbo had a sword (albeit a small one). 4. General lack of character development or emotion. Not that The Hobbit is supposed to be as emotionally intense as LOTR, but I really just didn't feel much for anyone in the movie. They were indestructible anyways, so why would I care? 3. Goblin town chase sequence. This scene was approaching "nuke the fridge" levels of ridiculousness. It almost looked more like a perfectly choreographed dance than a fight/escape sequence. 2. Ian Holm's Wig. Now, I'm no makeup artist or hair dresser, but it's just so obviously different that I don't understand how they allowed it. I know this is a VERY nit-picky thing to put at number 2, but it just frustrates me beyond belief. If someone can give me a good reason why his wig looks so strange, I would honestly love to hear it so that I can get some perspective. Was it really a problem to get him a more similar styled wig? 1. Entire Rivendell Sequence Oh where to begin...I'll start with the CGI. Rivendell feels fake and cramped in AUJ. It doesn't feel like the same place from LOTR. It's almost like it was robbed of everything that made it so beautiful. Those amazing outdoor sets used in LOTR really sold the place for me, and the lighting was much more natural. Rivendell in AUJ was constantly drenched in the most over the top lighting style that it was almost laughable. How they decided this looked better is beyond me. Maybe this is why Bilbo didn't seem to care all that much for it. By the way, where did Bilbo go in Rivendell? Actually, where did he go for the whole middle portion of the film? The second it cuts to him looking back after the white council sequence, I go "Oh yeah, I'm watching The Hobbit". Bilbo is given no reason to be so fond of Rivendell, and all the dwarves do there is whine about the food and break tables. I was really looking forward to visiting The Last Homely House. How come it felt so sterile, lifeless, and not homely at all?
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
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What do you dislike the most : TH AUJ
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:02am
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Trolls
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 1:13am
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And I cannot for the life of me understand why Gandalf wasn't given his entire "Dawn take you all and be stone to you" line
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 1:36am
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I've wondered about that, too.
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Feb 15 2013, 12:34pm
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Just a wee bit of disappointment
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 14 2013, 2:07am
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I saw it again this past Saturday afternoon,
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sauget.diblosio
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Feb 14 2013, 2:33am
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I'll do a top ten list real quick...
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 3:43am
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Radagast
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glor
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27am
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I disagree
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 15 2013, 7:25pm
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I am familiar with McCoys work
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:48pm
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Yes I know you're familiar
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 16 2013, 11:16am
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Alteration of The Dwarven History, Alteration to Angmar's history, problems with certain character dynamics in The Council scene, Too Much Stone and Too much giant. . .
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:13am
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Epic post
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 6:04pm
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Great post! And I completely agree about Radagast.
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:08pm
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GT
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TFP
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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You have nailed it
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 12:40pm
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I don't know about nailed it.
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 2:09pm
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They nailed it ;)
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 2:53pm
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Negative posts
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 3:26pm
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I think this was one mistake for me
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 4:16pm
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Thought vs Thought lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 3:51pm
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Great rant
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:53pm
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Hmmm. Why do I hear "scrubbing bubbles" echoing in my head?!!!!! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:13pm
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Yeah, I'm trying to coin the phrase "tolkien goggles"
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:07pm
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It doesn't make every film instantly enjoyable....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 7:29pm
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Maybe not where you live :P
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 8:06pm
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Well yes, of course, anything in the film could have been done differently...
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 11:21pm
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Bomby agrees W/ dormouse..completely...
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Bombadil
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Feb 15 2013, 12:15am
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I want them to do their thing
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:22am
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I am emphatically stating my opinion
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imin
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Feb 15 2013, 12:17am
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I feel for ya
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jtarkey
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Feb 15 2013, 12:44am
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Frivolous Modsuits
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 1:04am
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Help! Help! I'm bein' repressed!
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:17am
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Context
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JWPlatt
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Feb 15 2013, 12:49am
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Emotional and aesthetic positioning
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 15 2013, 11:48am
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Concerning diviniti and killing and a begginer Andy Serkis as a director
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Pretty much
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:30pm
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The Bunny Sled Chase
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Elutherian
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Feb 14 2013, 3:46am
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Identical to mine
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totoro
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Feb 14 2013, 6:46am
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yes, the chase itself is the biggest weakness
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Silmaril
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Feb 14 2013, 10:44am
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Tru dat
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TwirlingThorin
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Feb 15 2013, 10:56pm
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Three Things
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JWPlatt
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Feb 14 2013, 4:13am
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The start of the credits.
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Roheryn
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Feb 14 2013, 4:25am
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Brilliant! And ditto! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:05am
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Fall of the Goblin King
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Sślimė
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Feb 14 2013, 4:41am
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Slightly disliked
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cats16
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Feb 14 2013, 5:01am
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It was way too short
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Kangi Ska
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Feb 14 2013, 6:36am
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Hahahaha! Yes indeed! //
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:04am
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Wild applause!
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:51am
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Not for me
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:27pm
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Haha!
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Owain
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Feb 14 2013, 6:37pm
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Negativity for its own sake! //
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 8:50am
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Pretty much lol
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 12:24pm
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Why label it like that, "negativity for its own sake"?
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 4:20pm
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Macfeast and Inin
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 4:45pm
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Because that's how it seemed to me
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:58pm
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OP may not have asked directly, word-for-word for thoughtful discussion.
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Macfeast
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Feb 14 2013, 7:09pm
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Perhaps we should Ask
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:06pm
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Sometimes, negativity can bring positivity
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jtarkey
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Feb 14 2013, 7:16pm
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In fact
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:05pm
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And the
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:25pm
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Positivity is constructive....
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dormouse
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Feb 14 2013, 6:52pm
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I think this thread is rather excellent, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:16am
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I disliked only these things
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 12:01pm
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I'm OK with most of the cinematic "cliches"...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 12:03pm
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"That'll do it."
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utku
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Feb 14 2013, 12:49pm
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Excesses of Spielbergian proportion...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 1:04pm
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Agreed but
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:39pm
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Too much...
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 14 2013, 1:57pm
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Yep, the totally unnatural lighting was another...
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Kendalf
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Feb 14 2013, 5:09pm
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Yeah i agree
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 5:15pm
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Hi there
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:37pm
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I guess my main dislike can be summed up in one word:
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Old Toby
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Feb 14 2013, 3:56pm
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I like his design
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Lusitano
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Feb 14 2013, 5:56pm
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I loved Azog
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 10:58pm
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Oh no! A positive post in a negative thread! ;)
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:53am
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Most of my complaints stem from the "fan-fiction" portions
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Salmacis81
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Feb 14 2013, 6:06pm
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Another 'complaint'
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Glorfindela
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Feb 14 2013, 6:13pm
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Ditto
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Elessar
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Feb 14 2013, 6:29pm
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Easy - Goblin Town escape above all
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elostirion74
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Feb 14 2013, 11:41pm
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Some thoughts and opinions
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Idhreneth
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Feb 15 2013, 12:08am
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He's only a very newly arisen, baby witch king after all! : p //
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:33am
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The use of the "Nazgul" theme
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Lio
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Feb 15 2013, 12:35am
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That bothered me too, actually
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Tintallė
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Feb 15 2013, 1:31am
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I disliked a couple of things
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Ham_Sammy
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Feb 15 2013, 2:37am
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The Misty Mountain theme...
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 4:13am
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It felt that needed a little bit more of gasoline
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:26pm
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Someone that gets me!!!
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Estel78
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Feb 15 2013, 8:45pm
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Give me fuel give me fire!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 15 2013, 8:53pm
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Not so much
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CathrineB
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Feb 15 2013, 12:46pm
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He was
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Arannir
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Feb 15 2013, 1:11pm
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On CGI
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glor
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Feb 15 2013, 10:45pm
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Trolls scene from the moment
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maut
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Feb 15 2013, 6:02pm
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my main complaint
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Elenorflower
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Feb 15 2013, 11:09pm
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Getting to the nub of the challange
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 11:30am
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thank you for your comments
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 1:01pm
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Chaucer a better example
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:30pm
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Some people
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:55pm
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Observation
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:36pm
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It was made as a joke
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:39pm
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Majority Rules
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 6:45pm
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very true
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:48pm
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But this isn't a hunting trip.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:49pm
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Learning From History
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:36pm
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However...
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:41pm
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Films He Likes To See
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 2:45pm
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And that's good
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:53pm
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Great Summary
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 16 2013, 4:19pm
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I have to agree as usual...
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Eleniel
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Feb 16 2013, 1:30pm
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Well, it is a children's book
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Estel78
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Feb 16 2013, 2:24pm
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On lost tension and manners
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 4:33pm
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thats interesting
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 5:02pm
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I thought
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 5:53pm
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Differences in manners are cultural..
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glor
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Feb 16 2013, 6:16pm
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The class system idea
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:29pm
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the thing I like most about Tolkien
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Elenorflower
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Feb 16 2013, 8:12pm
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The joy can only be in experiencing the journey
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 17 2013, 7:12am
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I really like this.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 11:09pm
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A helping hand to our destiny
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Michelle Johnston
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Feb 18 2013, 10:22pm
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Balance
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JWPlatt
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Feb 19 2013, 12:14am
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This one criticism rings most true to me, aside from those about major changes to the history of the legendarium itself.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:37pm
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reply
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:44pm
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Indeed.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 8:50pm
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Thank you
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Elessar
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Feb 16 2013, 11:08pm
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Thank you very much and you are welcome for what i said :)
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imin
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Feb 17 2013, 1:29am
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Absolutely. The excess damaged what I thought were otherwise quite good scenes.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 17 2013, 5:37am
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THIS!
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:05am
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Give me any work of art or literature.
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:19pm
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I just thought of another one ...
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Escapist
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Feb 15 2013, 11:24pm
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This one is actually true.
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 12:23am
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Goblin King's one liner
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WhiskFishercat
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Feb 16 2013, 12:37am
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That it's not at my theatre anymore *chin quivers* //
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 16 2013, 3:27am
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"NO! SEBASTIAN!" //
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:41pm
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I don't get the Bombur complaints.
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 6:46pm
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You have mentioned almost all the times his weight has caused something different for himself
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 6:57pm
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I have indeed discussed this before
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:04pm
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There was someone else
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:25pm
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Bombur
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JWPlatt
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Feb 16 2013, 7:21pm
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It was more than adequate compared to the book at this point
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macfalk
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Feb 16 2013, 7:24pm
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I think it's too early to say
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:29pm
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Bofur, Dori and Ori recieved noticable attention. And, to a lesser extent,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:38pm
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Oh yeah so did Bofur
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imin
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Feb 16 2013, 7:47pm
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Tolkien, though, made no claims that all dwarves would get attention.
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Macfeast
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Feb 17 2013, 12:26am
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IDK
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jtarkey
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Feb 17 2013, 1:12am
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My turn!
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anagum
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Feb 20 2013, 3:29am
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