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Mahtion
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Feb 13 2013, 2:52pm
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I get the idea, from the book and the movie, that Elves aren't as attached to their weapons or those of their ancestors.
The fact that the weapon is named, and that he knows who it belonged to, shows that Elves ARE attached to their weapons and family history.
Even if we ignore that though, it still makes no sense that Elrond would let his family's weapons be used on a quest that he doesn't approve of.
Elves of the passing ages are continually letting go of their greatest attachment, the land of Middle earth. Of course the elves of the 1st age were possessive and proud but it cost them dearly. Many of the elves remaining in Middle earth are either too young or let go of events that occurred millennia ago.
Elrond never knew Turgon or had seen Gondolin. He appreciates his family history and collects historical artifacts but would not fight free peoples to claim them. In the book and movie Elrond reads the inscriptions on two swords which he has probably only heard in legend or lore, despite belonging to his kin he has no desire to possess these weapons as shown.
We can look at Finrod who gave his family ring to the ancestors of Beren or Galadriel giving the light of Earendil to Frodo as indications of the elves ability to give away treasures and personal items of immense value. This of course only presents a precedence for this behavior but we can see that this in Elrond's character. In those cases the heirlooms were presented as gifts condoning the actions and motives of the recipients. Obviously Elrond doesn't want the Dwarves to stir up trouble but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be honored for Thorin to wield Orcrist.
Even if we go by the movie Elrond says he knew Thror and has been trying to extend his good will towards Thorin. His attempts are meant to mend Thorin's elf hatred and reinforce the perception of Elrond as a great host. Therefore we see that Elrond has many more reasons to give the blades away then to keep them. Elrond would keep the swords for personal and historical value but he would rather let Thorin keep Orcrist and Gandalf Glamdring because it is in his nature to be generous, it behooves him as a host of his house, it serves as a token of good will in memory of Thror, and the swords have greater purpose serving those who need them rather than collecting dust.
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Elrond and Glamdring
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 12 2013, 4:56pm
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From a practical POV...
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Angharad73
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Feb 12 2013, 5:51pm
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Yes, it's due to the copyright
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Arandir
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Feb 12 2013, 6:38pm
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An amendment. Elrond's relation to Turgon is not off limits to the filmakers, as it can be drawn from The Appendices.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 13 2013, 10:08pm
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I think you are right.
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The White Wizard
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Feb 12 2013, 7:37pm
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Doubtful, Narsil is housed there
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stoutfiles
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Feb 12 2013, 7:56pm
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Narsil is different, though
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Angharad73
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Feb 12 2013, 8:06pm
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But it's on display
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stoutfiles
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Feb 12 2013, 8:12pm
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Swords are to be used
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Angharad73
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Feb 12 2013, 8:26pm
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Narsil has a future
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 13 2013, 3:13am
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There would also be, in Elrond the wise, a knowledge of Feanor, and of what being too attatched
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 13 2013, 4:53am
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Not seeing it
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stoutfiles
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Feb 13 2013, 2:01pm
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Read the inscriptions
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Mahtion
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Feb 13 2013, 2:52pm
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Perfectly stated, Mathion. And thank you
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 13 2013, 10:11pm
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Gandalf and Glamdring
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Angharad73
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Feb 13 2013, 3:22pm
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Or the best answer
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stoutfiles
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Feb 13 2013, 4:37pm
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Clearly...
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Angharad73
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Feb 13 2013, 4:46pm
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Just don't think he would be invested
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Brethil
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Feb 13 2013, 6:46pm
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I have to disagree./
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 13 2013, 10:21pm
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'AUJ' avoids the whole issue...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 1:31pm
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They had to leave at some point
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stoutfiles
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Feb 14 2013, 6:17pm
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Elrond knew this would be a powerful token of good will between Elves and Dwarves,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 15 2013, 11:01pm
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Agreed on both, though it seems that the Appendices would allow one to trace
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 13 2013, 1:19am
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Not at all
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stoutfiles
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Feb 12 2013, 7:53pm
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Would have been a mistake if he did
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ElendilTheShort
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Feb 12 2013, 8:24pm
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How right you are
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 12 2013, 10:49pm
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Lost for how many centuries/millenia?
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arithmancer
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Feb 13 2013, 3:51pm
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I wonder
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cats16
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Feb 13 2013, 3:58pm
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Honestly, I think it's more a case of
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 2:41am
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book-Narsil and movie-Narsil
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Hun200kmh
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Feb 15 2013, 8:27pm
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Well yes, there was no Narsil shrine in the book
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Tintallė
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Feb 16 2013, 5:14am
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I just watched this clip on youtube...
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cats16
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Feb 14 2013, 5:17am
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You can still hear Elrond in the background
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Tintallė
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Feb 14 2013, 7:07am
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That is Brilliant
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 9:24pm
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Gandalf knew all of the Elves, even if they did not always know him
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 15 2013, 11:02pm
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Thanks! //
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cats16
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Feb 16 2013, 4:41am
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