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Middle-earth and Real-earth

telain
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Feb 12 2013, 4:25pm


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I wonder, too, about Tolkien's use of Real-earth to write Middle-earth. Here, I bring up the oft-referenced Tolkien distaste for allegory (which, truthfully, he really can't get too far away from). Real-earth places in the stories -- like Bilbo fighting were-worms in China -- might lead more people to look for allegory. (Bilbo in China -- great image!)

Editing out Real-earth places also gives more licence to play with geography (and thus, identity). Tolkien may have wanted us to equate some aspects of Gondor with the civilization of the Romans (or even Egyptians), but I do not get the sense he wanted us to believe they were the Romans. (Nor the Rohirrim as the ancient Celts or Vikings, or Hobbits ancient Britons, etc.) Using astronomy is actually quite brilliant now that I think about it, because it places Middle-earth on Real-earth, but it allows an imaginative use of geography to fit the story. If Bilbo had actually said "China", then we'd be busy figuring out which race was which Real-earth people and debating why parts of the Middle-earth story don't fit Real-earth history or geography.

Astronomy also has a bit of the mythic/mystic about it (yes, I know it is a real science and I am not confusing it with astrology) but there is nonetheless a connection between the two that -- in my mind anyway -- further draws Middle-earth into the realm of fantasy/myth instead of legend/history.

Subject User Time
The Silmarillion discussion: Of the Coming of the Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:34am
    Brief comment from "Arda Reconstructed" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:55am
        I'm enjoying seeing these brief comments from AR Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 1 2013, 7:34pm
        As far as I remember, not exactly. sador Send a private message to sador Feb 12 2013, 9:33pm
            Some corrections Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 2:41am
                Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 13 2013, 5:12pm
                    Food for thought is good! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 7:00pm
                        "It needed a week's answer, or none." sador Send a private message to sador Feb 15 2013, 2:04pm
                            I'm always interested in what you have to say! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 15 2013, 3:51pm
    birth and other questions fo Elves elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 1 2013, 4:15pm
        >>Why do you think Melkor was nibbling around the edges of the Elves and kidnapping them a few at a time? Why not enslave them all at once? They weren't exactly a fighting force. Asger Send a private message to Asger Feb 1 2013, 6:57pm
        Elves and the bad guy CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm
    great post! I hope my answers measure up... telain Send a private message to telain Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
        Doom and Deepness and Damned, sexy orcs noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 6:06pm
            Mandos and his secrets CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 9:12pm
                doomed by doom? telain Send a private message to telain Feb 5 2013, 4:32pm
        Valar and Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:02pm
    Of Elves and Orcs--more info CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:56pm
    Answers at last sador Send a private message to sador Feb 11 2013, 12:16pm
        late thought about stars, and links to real Earth noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:35pm
            Oh, the next chapter disscussion HAS started... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:38pm
            Middle-earth and Real-earth telain Send a private message to telain Feb 12 2013, 4:25pm
        Answers to answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 15 2013, 1:51am

 
 
 

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