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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 11 2013, 4:51pm
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1. The football reference doesn't bother me any more than the one made earlier in the book to golf. Indeed, it is not hard at all to imagine Middle-earth children playing a game very much like soccer. The narrator is also presumed to be a modern translator of the Red Book; there is nothing inherently faulty about his including modern references in his narrative asides. 2. I can partially write-off the more casual and playful attitudes displayed by the Rivendell Elves as being reflective of a more peaceful period in Middle-earth's history when they are more friendly and relaxed. But, yes, it is a marked difference. 3. I don't have any particular problem with the portrayal of the Mirkwood Elves. They are primarily Avari and lack the learning and wisdom of those who answered the call of the Valar. 4. As others have remarked, Beorn's animal-friends do not speak as Men do. They do act in a disturbingly anthropomorphic fashion--mostly when they set the board for dinner. Now that could have almost come straight out of Disney's Snow White! The only animals (I'm not counting Smaug or the trolls) that speak the common tongue (Westron) are the Great Eagles, the ravens of Erebor and the giant spiders of Mirkwood. Of those, I only find the spiders to be Disneyfied to any great extent. Other flaws occur where Tolkien had not fully developed elements of Middle-earth yet. 5. There are dates that don't match up with with the hobbits' Shire Reckoning: "And Thrain your father went away on the twenty-first of April, a hundred years ago last Thursday." Likewise, the author is very specific that the Unexpected Party takes place on Wednesday, April 27 with the company setting off from the Green Dragon Inn at 11 a.m. on the following day, April 28. According to the Shire Calendar, these dates should fall on Thursday and Friday respectively. 6. Later in The Hobbit, Tokien forgets that the pary set out from Bag End at the end of April and refers to them starting out in May instead. 7. The geography of the Wilderland doesn't always match up between TH and LotR, especially between the bridge crossing the River Hoarwell and where the trolls are camped. The trolls seem to be fairly near the bridge; however, when Aragorn guides Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin from there, it takes them almost six days to reach the petrified trolls.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Tolkien Notes: Intro, Language, and flaws in The Hobbit
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Laerasėa
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Feb 11 2013, 1:03am
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Flaws in The Hobbit
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dernwyn
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Feb 11 2013, 1:41am
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Oh dear...
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Laerasėa
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Feb 11 2013, 3:28am
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Hmm?
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Al Carondas
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Feb 11 2013, 4:06am
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No, no, not you!
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dernwyn
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Feb 11 2013, 1:43pm
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I think
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 4:24am
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Ah, language....
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Silverlode
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Feb 13 2013, 7:58am
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I understand
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 3:11pm
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The Hobbit was written for Tolkien's children.
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Elizabeth
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Feb 11 2013, 2:19am
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I don't think I explained it properly
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Laerasėa
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Feb 11 2013, 3:15am
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It *had* to be the same universe as LotR
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Elizabeth
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Feb 11 2013, 4:04am
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I believe also, if i am not mistaken,
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silneldor
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Feb 11 2013, 5:38am
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Long live The Hobbit
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Al Carondas
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Feb 11 2013, 3:21am
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Nope
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 4:35am
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Further to dernwyn's comments
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SirDennisC
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Feb 11 2013, 4:02am
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She is absolutely open to new ideas
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 4:03am
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in regards to replies in this thread...
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Magpie
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Feb 11 2013, 5:10am
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Thank you, M
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 4:46am
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I feel safe in saying
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demnation
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Feb 11 2013, 6:46am
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I was actually under that impression, as well
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 4:05am
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A few comments
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sador
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Feb 11 2013, 2:50pm
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I love Tom Shippey!
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 3:53am
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Good for you!
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sador
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Feb 13 2013, 5:18pm
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And there is more...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 11 2013, 4:51pm
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Wow!
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 3:32am
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This Great Fun
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 11 2013, 7:50pm
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Thank you!
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 3:24am
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Excited to follow your class!
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Menelwyn
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Feb 11 2013, 9:27pm
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Good to see you here :)
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Laerasėa
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Feb 13 2013, 4:49am
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Laerasea my dear,
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silneldor
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Feb 12 2013, 3:18am
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I find more flaws in LOTR than in TH. //
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macfalk
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Feb 13 2013, 10:28am
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I know you do. :-)
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Magpie
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Feb 13 2013, 2:35pm
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Well, even Tolkien, himself, had issues with 'The Hobbit'.
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 13 2013, 3:44pm
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I am aware of this
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macfalk
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Feb 14 2013, 12:43pm
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But those first few chapters are so good!
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imin
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Feb 14 2013, 12:53pm
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Which problems with LotR really bother you?
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 12:53pm
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It's hard to put it to words
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macfalk
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Feb 14 2013, 12:58pm
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Well, I can see where an inablility to relate to the main character could be a problem.
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 14 2013, 1:07pm
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On the Other Hand
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 14 2013, 4:51pm
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okay, here's a question... since we're talking about anachronisms in language
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Magpie
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Feb 13 2013, 2:41pm
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To lapse or not to lapse? That's a question? ;)
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 14 2013, 3:49am
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