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1. The football reference doesn't bother me any more than the one made earlier in the book to golf. Indeed, it is not hard at all to imagine Middle-earth children playing a game very much like soccer. The narrator is also presumed to be a modern translator of the Red Book; there is nothing inherently faulty about his including modern references in his narrative asides.

2. I can partially write-off the more casual and playful attitudes displayed by the Rivendell Elves as being reflective of a more peaceful period in Middle-earth's history when they are more friendly and relaxed. But, yes, it is a marked difference.

3. I don't have any particular problem with the portrayal of the Mirkwood Elves. They are primarily Avari and lack the learning and wisdom of those who answered the call of the Valar.

4. As others have remarked, Beorn's animal-friends do not speak as Men do. They do act in a disturbingly anthropomorphic fashion--mostly when they set the board for dinner. Now that could have almost come straight out of Disney's Snow White! The only animals (I'm not counting Smaug or the trolls) that speak the common tongue (Westron) are the Great Eagles, the ravens of Erebor and the giant spiders of Mirkwood. Of those, I only find the spiders to be Disneyfied to any great extent.

Other flaws occur where Tolkien had not fully developed elements of Middle-earth yet.

5. There are dates that don't match up with with the hobbits' Shire Reckoning: "And Thrain your father went away on the twenty-first of April, a hundred years ago last Thursday." Likewise, the author is very specific that the Unexpected Party takes place on Wednesday, April 27 with the company setting off from the Green Dragon Inn at 11 a.m. on the following day, April 28. According to the Shire Calendar, these dates should fall on Thursday and Friday respectively.

6. Later in The Hobbit, Tokien forgets that the pary set out from Bag End at the end of April and refers to them starting out in May instead.

7. The geography of the Wilderland doesn't always match up between TH and LotR, especially between the bridge crossing the River Hoarwell and where the trolls are camped. The trolls seem to be fairly near the bridge; however, when Aragorn guides Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin from there, it takes them almost six days to reach the petrified trolls.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

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Tolkien Notes: Intro, Language, and flaws in The Hobbit Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 11 2013, 1:03am
    Flaws in The Hobbit dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Feb 11 2013, 1:41am
        Oh dear... Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 11 2013, 3:28am
            Hmm? Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Feb 11 2013, 4:06am
            No, no, not you! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Feb 11 2013, 1:43pm
                I think Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 4:24am
                    Ah, language.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Feb 13 2013, 7:58am
                        I understand Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 3:11pm
    The Hobbit was written for Tolkien's children. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 11 2013, 2:19am
        I don't think I explained it properly Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 11 2013, 3:15am
            It *had* to be the same universe as LotR Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 11 2013, 4:04am
            I believe also, if i am not mistaken, silneldor Send a private message to silneldor Feb 11 2013, 5:38am
    Long live The Hobbit Al Carondas Send a private message to Al Carondas Feb 11 2013, 3:21am
        Nope Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 4:35am
    Further to dernwyn's comments SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Feb 11 2013, 4:02am
        She is absolutely open to new ideas Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 4:03am
    in regards to replies in this thread... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 11 2013, 5:10am
        Thank you, M Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 4:46am
    I feel safe in saying demnation Send a private message to demnation Feb 11 2013, 6:46am
        I was actually under that impression, as well Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 4:05am
    A few comments sador Send a private message to sador Feb 11 2013, 2:50pm
        I love Tom Shippey! Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 3:53am
            Good for you! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 13 2013, 5:18pm
    And there is more... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 11 2013, 4:51pm
        Wow! Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 3:32am
    This Great Fun IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Feb 11 2013, 7:50pm
        Thank you! Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 3:24am
    Excited to follow your class! Menelwyn Send a private message to Menelwyn Feb 11 2013, 9:27pm
        Good to see you here :) Laerasėa Send a private message to Laerasėa Feb 13 2013, 4:49am
    Laerasea my dear, silneldor Send a private message to silneldor Feb 12 2013, 3:18am
    I find more flaws in LOTR than in TH. // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Feb 13 2013, 10:28am
        I know you do. :-) Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 13 2013, 2:35pm
        Well, even Tolkien, himself, had issues with 'The Hobbit'. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 13 2013, 3:44pm
            I am aware of this macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Feb 14 2013, 12:43pm
                But those first few chapters are so good! imin Send a private message to imin Feb 14 2013, 12:53pm
                Which problems with LotR really bother you? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 14 2013, 12:53pm
                    It's hard to put it to words macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Feb 14 2013, 12:58pm
                        Well, I can see where an inablility to relate to the main character could be a problem. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 14 2013, 1:07pm
                On the Other Hand IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Feb 14 2013, 4:51pm
    okay, here's a question... since we're talking about anachronisms in language Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Feb 13 2013, 2:41pm
    To lapse or not to lapse? That's a question? ;) grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Feb 14 2013, 3:49am

 
 
 

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