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AinurOlorin
Half-elven
Feb 10 2013, 2:02am
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I disagree, in part. You are right that most of the information is elsewhere told, However, many of the finer details are left out.
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It is one thing to know that Thorin was the grandson of a mountain King, and they were wealthy, and a great dragon drove them out. It is another to see it, and I think, in the maain, the extended Erebor flashback did that better than a series of them at various points in the film might have done. Also there were many nuances and little details, as I mentioned. I do not think we have seen the last of one of the rings (or Rings) on Thror's finger. There is also the matter of The Arkenstone, Dale of olde, and Thranduil's unwillingness to lend aid (at least as perceived by Thorin, as being realistic, there was little the Elves could have done). I only think it would have been a waste of time if it had no other value save in doing things which other parts of the movie already do. I think it provided more than information. It gave a proper atmosphere and context for the dwares having had a great kingdom, and having been driven from it by a mighty dragon. As to the notion that Peter sometimes lacks subtlety, and that the violence was more extreme in some places than that in Fellowship. . . well. . . agreed. lol My main problem with the prologue is that its wastful in tems of time. There is nothing in it in terms of information that cannot to be gained form everything that follows as the story is told. Yes it looks very nice and very dramatic but it slows up the entire start of the film needlessly. Many critics complained the opening was far too long- and they are right it is I think, but not if you take the prologue back out- it works just fine without it, better I would say. And the exciting flashback could easily have relpaced all the shouty bits in the Unexpected Party scenes. Everything from the transition to Bilbo leaving is good adaptation of the book - I could have done without a few of the excesses but overall its definetly recognisably an adaptation of the book- which is more than can be said for what follows in the film. And its a shame PJ doesnt seem to know how to script a scene with multiple characters discussing something without it breaking down into everyone just shouting 'rhubarb' at each other until someone important stands up and tells them whats going to happen -Gandalf in this case- Elrond in Council scene in FotR. As an ageing and life long fan of Doctor Who I am all for scaring the living daylights out of children - but there are ways to do it that do not involve having to show onscreen violence the way PJ does, but you have to be a bit clever and subtle about it- neither traits PJ seems to exhibit in any quantity in his Tolkien based work- there are 6 beheadings, 10 impalments and 5 dismemberments in the Goblin Town escape alone, right there on screen in a film based on a book aimed at roughly 7 year olds, its hardly subtle- I think that is more than in the entire LotR's trilogy which is supposed to be the adult one- and we havent got to the big battle in TH yet! "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Absolutely Horrid
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GiantMushroomBear
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Feb 6 2013, 10:45pm
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Apology accepted.
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Roheryn
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Feb 6 2013, 10:54pm
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lol - nice reference :-) //
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Loresilme
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Feb 6 2013, 11:32pm
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This thread shall be fun lol
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Lusitano
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Feb 6 2013, 10:56pm
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Lotta hate and no reasons.
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Feb 6 2013, 10:57pm
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Think I've seen this username trolling on IMDB. N/T
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Steven Van der Berg
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Feb 6 2013, 11:04pm
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Really?
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Lusitano
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Feb 6 2013, 11:16pm
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no, please...
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Magpie
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Feb 7 2013, 12:05am
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Excuse my
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 12:19am
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Yeah, I've also seen the username Phibbus trolling on IMDB //
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macfalk
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Feb 7 2013, 4:36pm
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I miss Phibbus. Thanks for tracking him down for us. //
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:24pm
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HOLD ON
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Lindele
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Feb 6 2013, 11:04pm
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Negative 5 out of 10 (-5/10). ;) //
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SirDennisC
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Feb 6 2013, 11:10pm
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Im sorry, but this made me laugh out loud.
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Gorbag
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Feb 6 2013, 11:06pm
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As strange as it may
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Lusitano
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Feb 6 2013, 11:09pm
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Worst of the best if you will.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 6 2013, 11:18pm
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Ed Wood
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Lusitano
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Feb 6 2013, 11:21pm
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I distinctly saw directed by Alan Smithee during the credit roll. //
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SirDennisC
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Feb 6 2013, 11:37pm
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Which movie, TH?
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Lusitano
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Feb 6 2013, 11:42pm
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If you swim with sharks, you're gonna get burned
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SirDennisC
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Feb 6 2013, 11:49pm
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So,
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Feb 6 2013, 11:56pm
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If he actually means what he days
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 12:20am
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Tell me, now.
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GiantMushroomBear
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Feb 7 2013, 1:09am
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I believe the use of caps is like shouting at other people.
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Eowyn3
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Feb 7 2013, 1:18am
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Is it dawn yet?
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Roheryn
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Feb 7 2013, 1:20am
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Ro!... Dawn..Turned Into Stone...?.
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Bombadil
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Feb 7 2013, 1:43am
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indeed!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 1:45am
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Actually, it might be more entertaining
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Roheryn
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Feb 7 2013, 3:34am
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Ummm... possibly off to start a pants thread? :) //
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Arandiel
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Feb 7 2013, 5:50am
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Hah! Bifur has his moments!
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 11:02pm
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[crazy]
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 1:57am
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Ride My Seesaw
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JWPlatt
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Feb 7 2013, 5:08am
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Okay, sport
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 3:37pm
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You certainly do have a right to express your opinions
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 7 2013, 3:38pm
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i think....
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andwise
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Feb 7 2013, 4:20pm
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Your use of capitalization prooves you're a troll.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 4:23pm
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It's worth keeping in mind
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Ataahua
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Feb 7 2013, 8:13pm
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Well...
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macfalk
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Feb 7 2013, 8:35pm
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OK.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 10:39pm
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So
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12 2013, 8:21pm
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Tis a nice change of pace is all, and a bit of fun at that.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 3:08am
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Nonsense threads
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Feb 7 2013, 4:13am
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These "criticisms" aren't just weak, they're 2 months old. //
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morgul lord
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Feb 7 2013, 11:07pm
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You are
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 12:18am
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LMAO. Then surely you hated all of the Rings adaptations as well. The opening 40 minutes to an hour of this movie
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 11:07pm
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weong
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12 2013, 8:03pm
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I beg to differ.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Feb 6 2013, 11:09pm
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Mods up! //
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Ardamírë
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Feb 6 2013, 11:15pm
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I agree!
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Roheryn
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Feb 6 2013, 11:43pm
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Legos
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JWPlatt
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Feb 7 2013, 4:56am
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It's funny that a post like this is getting so much attention
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jtarkey
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Feb 7 2013, 10:21am
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If the "film"...
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GiantMushroomBear
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Feb 7 2013, 10:51am
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Yes, I think I would!
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sharpened_graphite
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Feb 7 2013, 2:56pm
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well the diference
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 7 2013, 3:21pm
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For me there are two issues here-
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pettytyrant101
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Feb 7 2013, 3:44pm
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I won't argue about Jackson being prone to excess...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 4:10pm
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It was his first post.
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macfalk
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Feb 7 2013, 4:47pm
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Who are you calling "boys"?
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 7 2013, 6:59pm
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"I would agree that the OP post was not the most diplomatically worded OP ever, but that does not make the points or post, or opinion invalid either. In my view there is much to complain about in PJ's films, particuarly as adaptations of the source materi
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sharpened_graphite
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Feb 7 2013, 8:20pm
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Visuals & Claustrophobia
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JWPlatt
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Feb 7 2013, 8:54pm
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I studied graphic design at college
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pettytyrant101
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Feb 7 2013, 8:58pm
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Agree on the "bouncing like a rubber ball", that was implausible!
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sharpened_graphite
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Feb 8 2013, 12:45am
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Well,
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Feb 7 2013, 10:39pm
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Hey, long time
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:34pm
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Of course they are not.
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macfalk
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Feb 7 2013, 8:37pm
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childrens book
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pettytyrant101
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Feb 7 2013, 9:02pm
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I don't agree that it is definitively not a classic, though I do agree with some other points.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 8:21am
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the prologue
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pettytyrant101
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Feb 8 2013, 1:36pm
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I disagree, in part. You are right that most of the information is elsewhere told, However, many of the finer details are left out.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 10 2013, 2:02am
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the prologue had to be in there because
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MouthofSauron
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Feb 10 2013, 2:23am
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The thing is that
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peace1993
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Feb 7 2013, 10:52am
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I've been personally attacked for expressing my problems with the film
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jtarkey
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Feb 7 2013, 11:16am
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I´m gonna do...
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Feb 7 2013, 11:33am
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Yeah, we are shamefully turning a blind eye to all the faults.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 4:14pm
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Can't see why we keep feeding this
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Vangalad
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Feb 7 2013, 5:27pm
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It's like picking at a scab.
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 7 2013, 5:44pm
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Because it's fun.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 7 2013, 7:05pm
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Though I think we may disagree on some of which parts were most difficult to like, I agree here.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 7:45am
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Quite
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12 2013, 8:10pm
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Now I'm really mad!!!
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guitarzankansasfan
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Feb 6 2013, 11:21pm
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The Last Airbender comment also deeply offended me.//
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Gorbag
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Feb 6 2013, 11:29pm
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Wha. .The...?
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Bombadil
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Feb 6 2013, 11:32pm
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And, and
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SirDennisC
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Feb 6 2013, 11:44pm
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Best Shyamamamamalalalan Of The Year
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JWPlatt
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Feb 7 2013, 4:59am
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Yes, I think that's the point.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 7:47pm
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Sure it does!
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arithmancer
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Feb 7 2013, 7:52pm
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That references a P-47 Thunderbolt --
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:28pm
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Gah, I mean P-40 Warhawk
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:42pm
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Not that I could tell the difference...:-)
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arithmancer
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Feb 7 2013, 8:53pm
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Ooh, I missed it!
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sador
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Feb 7 2013, 7:55pm
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HUH
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shadowdog
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Feb 7 2013, 8:14pm
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What does
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:22pm
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Absolutely horrid, isn't it? //
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sador
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Feb 7 2013, 9:00pm
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Though I'm sure it would be
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 9:20pm
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Well, when you are swimming with sharks,
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Starling
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Feb 8 2013, 6:36am
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* Buwahahahaha! //
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SirDennisC
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Feb 8 2013, 4:56pm
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Wow, that's all kinds of mixed metaphors...
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:20pm
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sharks with lasers
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 9:23pm
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"There is no need to get angry..."
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Oin's parasite
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Feb 6 2013, 11:35pm
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S/he is only trying
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Carne
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Feb 6 2013, 11:44pm
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I can already hear the sound
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Rostron2
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Feb 6 2013, 11:49pm
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oh dear....
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andwise
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Feb 6 2013, 11:56pm
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Meow! //
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 7 2013, 12:23am
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Love your
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 12:25am
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Thanks! :)
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 7 2013, 12:31am
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Youre welcome Aragalen
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 12:34am
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ooh!!
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ryouko
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Feb 7 2013, 12:37am
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Sure is!
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 7 2013, 9:29pm
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Ha
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Lusitano
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Feb 7 2013, 10:46pm
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This thread makes me want to play madlibs.
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Escapist
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Feb 7 2013, 12:29am
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Mmmm....Denny's....(NT)
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Aragalen the Green
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Feb 7 2013, 12:33am
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*Mods way up!* //
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 7 2013, 6:41pm
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Ooo lemme try
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elevorn
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Feb 7 2013, 6:50pm
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Excellent! //
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 7 2013, 7:02pm
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Awesome!
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Escapist
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Feb 8 2013, 7:41pm
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Bomby.. years ago was the Go-to guy about LoTR..
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Bombadil
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Feb 8 2013, 9:06pm
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What can men do against such reckless hate?
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Eowyn3
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Feb 7 2013, 12:59am
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Menfolk can go off and do...something manly...
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Roheryn
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Feb 7 2013, 1:10am
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???
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Glum
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Feb 7 2013, 1:59am
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Simple math
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GiantMushroomBear
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Feb 7 2013, 11:00am
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You are just skimming the surface and complaining
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peace1993
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Feb 7 2013, 11:30am
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This is what I'm talking about exactly.
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jtarkey
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Feb 7 2013, 12:01pm
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I do have problems with the film
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Estel78
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Feb 7 2013, 1:00pm
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Over-simplification...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 3:46pm
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Been eating too many giant mushrooms, bear.
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sevilodorf
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Feb 7 2013, 2:30am
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Which movie are you disparaging?
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Kangi Ska
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Feb 7 2013, 4:34am
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Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute
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Old Toby
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Feb 7 2013, 5:27am
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New, improved version of original post!
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Roheryn
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Feb 7 2013, 5:34am
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You actually spent time doing that?
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Feb 7 2013, 5:37am
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Excel is my friend.
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Roheryn
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Feb 7 2013, 6:55am
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What's frightening is....
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Old Toby
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Feb 7 2013, 5:42am
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I always try to get my decent can-toys through sorry Denny's.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Feb 7 2013, 6:47pm
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His name says it all
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peace1993
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Feb 7 2013, 7:11am
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ouch
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 7 2013, 10:53am
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Fine by me...
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Angharad73
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Feb 7 2013, 12:58pm
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If you don't mind I'm just going to give Gandalf a ring, so he can turn you to stone!//
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:59pm
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Don't worry, everyone fails once in a lifetime.
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xxxyyy
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Feb 7 2013, 3:25pm
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Can you even call this an opinion?
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painjoiker
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Feb 7 2013, 5:18pm
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Bomby will say it.. again..
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Bombadil
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Feb 8 2013, 12:02am
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Does this apply to everyone?
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imin
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Feb 8 2013, 12:55am
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Amen, Bomby.
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Rostron2
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Feb 8 2013, 4:37pm
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O.o you wouldn't dare!
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SirDennisC
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Feb 8 2013, 7:06pm
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Yeah Nolan
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Rostron2
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Feb 8 2013, 9:01pm
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Movies and critics
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billzy2
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Feb 10 2013, 5:08am
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Sure it's not the...
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MasterOrc
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Feb 8 2013, 1:37am
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Insults and rude comments have been deleted or edited out of this thread
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Altaira
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Feb 8 2013, 3:58am
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Thanks
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Lusitano
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Feb 8 2013, 4:03am
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agreed.
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12 2013, 7:59pm
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