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orcrist and such-warning spoilers

Cirashala
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Feb 10 2013, 1:13am


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With orcrist, Elrond blessed Thorin with its use-essentially he could have kept it, especially since the sack of Gondolin was so tragic and since it was forged by the high elves of the west (hint-the noldorin exiles from Valinor) so for a scholarly and wise and noble Noldorin descended elf lord, allowing the sword to remain in Thorins (a dwarf's) possession was a huge act of goodwill, plus also Elrond was willing to aid them, despite his misgivings about their quest.

Thranduil, on the other hand, was a Sindarin elf sure, but no doubt he would be just as aware of this famous blade and the history surrounding it as Elrond was, or darn near to it. At the very least, he would likely be old enough to know the history of the sword, and with his hatred for dwarves and his unwillingness to aid them (unlike Elrond) I feel that it will be much like the book in that there-is-no-way-in-he**-I'm-letting-a-mere-dwarf-keep-this-sword, but I do feel that in respect for his accomplishments, and his willingness to aid the men and elves in the BO5A, that Thranduil will essentially redeem himself among the dwarves some by placing this magnificent sword atop thorins body in his tomb.

Besides, the dwarves escaped from cells whether they were being held prisoner without even their outer clothing (some of the prod vids show them in the barrels in their long underwear and such) let alone weapons, and it is highly unlikely that given the next time they meet Thranduil its in a very outnumbered battle and at the time they weren't winning he would take the time to say "hey, by the way, were were just arguing and you shot arrows at us in front of your gate an hour ago and I really hate your people and not a month ago had you filthy dwarves rotting in my dungeons which you managed to escape from much to our embarrassment, but I am feeling particulary gracious and since I have this famous sword that was forged in a legendary elven city that now lays under the ocean then stolen from my race during an awful sack of said great elven city that was besought with balrogs and other foul creatures of Morgoth and killing thousands of elves and then disappeared for nearly six thousand years only to be found by you a dwarf whom I despise, and since its not like we are surrounded by orcs and wargs that are intent on murdering us in the most horrific and cruel ways possible, would you like your sword back?"

Not likely IMO

Half Elven Daughter of Celethian of the Woodland Realm

(This post was edited by Cirashala on Feb 10 2013, 1:20am)

Subject User Time
Later Dwarven Weapons Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 8 2013, 10:11pm
    Book Spoiler arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 8 2013, 10:14pm
        I agree. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Feb 8 2013, 10:17pm
    I think there is an opportunity Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Feb 8 2013, 10:16pm
    Culture and text and toys Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 8 2013, 11:12pm
        as for Orcrist Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 8 2013, 11:32pm
            When I was playing with how it could be layed out in 3 films Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Feb 8 2013, 11:43pm
                sorry I used a bad and misleading acronym Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 9 2013, 1:10am
            Great metaphor. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 9 2013, 10:59am
                pianos and safes and anvils oh my... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 9 2013, 3:26pm
                    That's what I fear... Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Feb 9 2013, 3:50pm
    Good Thought The White Wizard Send a private message to The White Wizard Feb 9 2013, 1:13am
        Since Thorin. lost his Oakenshield.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 9 2013, 2:09am
            From homeless hobos on the road... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 9 2013, 3:06am
    Axes? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 9 2013, 3:28pm
        Check out The Chapter. ."Not at Home" Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Feb 9 2013, 4:21pm
            yes true Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 9 2013, 4:51pm
        The artifacts on the wall in Bilbo's study Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 10 2013, 3:07am
    orcrist and such-warning spoilers Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Feb 10 2013, 1:13am
    here's a pic of some later dwarven weapons FiliSonOfDis Send a private message to FiliSonOfDis Feb 11 2013, 7:00pm
        Thanks Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 12 2013, 3:56am

 
 
 

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