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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 7:13am
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I get what you are saying, and there is some truth in what you are saying, however her
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being aloof was not my problem. Indeed, I very much liked some of the intimacy of friendship that she shared with Gandalf in the film. My problem was that, outside of those affectionate moments, she seemed, not so aloof as dominant. Thranduil, a being of FAR lesser power and wisdom than the truly great Galadriel, seemed more aloof and alien in his way. In Fellowship she seemed perfect to me (and in the other Rings movies), a near sacred being in the eyes of hobbits, less potent Elves, dwarves and Men. But here she is in the company of The Istari, of Angels temporarily bound in flesh, and while they are not manifested in the fullness of their power and wisdom, they are still sacred in their own fashion, and ancient, and sent by supremely Divine authority. . . who would not have sent them to the aid of Elves, Men and all other free folk if the High Elves were deemed sufficient enough. As to his memory of Valinor. . . distant but poingnant, is how it is described, a vision for which The Wizards yearned so long as they remained true to their purpose. As to Saruman. . . he was good and Great, and a mighty Spirit. Mighty among the kindred of Aule. Not unlike Sauron. Indeed, too like Sauron. Where Olorin was wary of the guile, malice, cunning and power of Sauron, Curumo thought himself more than sufficient to the task, and perhaps did not even properly contemplate the limitations flesh would place upon him. And Sauron understood Saruman exceedingly well. So well, Tolkien said, that even without the Palantir he was largely able to predict how Saruman would behave, for it was how he himself would behave in similar circumstance. They both desired knowledge, rule and order, after a fashion, and neither began with truly evil intent, beyond a growing desire to dominate. It is said that it was the ability of Melkor to effictively impose his will (not his wanton destructiveness and wreckless wrath) which first attracted Sauron to him. I don't have a problem with her being too aloof in this film, but I would like to see her interaction with Gandalf be more akin to the way she addressed Elrond, i.e. on more equal terms, and with entreating questions alongside her advice. . . it should be more apparent that she is open to his advise and deeply respectful of his wisdom as well. There were simply moments when she seemed too much like his director, and she should not come across as either his supervisor nor as HIS guardian angel. She can be mighty and wise in her own right, as she undeniably is, without sublimating the wisdom and power of the Wizards.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Feb 8 2013, 7:14am)
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A continuing vexation over the seeming lack of reverance shown by Galadriel to Gandalf, despite her knowledge of what he is and her high esteem of him. I hope they will rectify this in the coming films.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 10:23pm
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They've gone to too much trouble...
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Ardamírë
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Feb 6 2013, 11:14pm
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It is shameful. Him being a Great Wizard (and a Holy Spirit veiled in flesh) does not
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 11:30pm
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Quite shameful indeed!
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 4:05pm
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We should take both of those options under advisement, and
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:24pm
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On a more serious note...
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 4:40pm
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Actually, there is a very intimate encounter between them which Tolkien relays,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:49pm
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UT material
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 5:06pm
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I agree...
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Ereinion Nénharma
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Feb 7 2013, 5:11pm
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I'm not sure how they could portray this.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 5:07pm
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I wouldn't expect them to portray this scene. They can't. They COULD
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 5:18pm
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I have no idea why someone would think she was his superior.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 9:21pm
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A LOT of people thought so. Problematically, the people who lacked the prior knowledge to know better.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 9:54pm
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Galadriel is walking
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 8 2013, 1:43am
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I was actually suggesting that the seating denoted an honouring of the Istari, not the Elves.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 2:09am
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I like your suggestion about the seating
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Súlimë
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Feb 8 2013, 3:29am
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I get what you are saying, and there is some truth in what you are saying, however her
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 7:13am
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The White Council scene
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Súlimë
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Feb 8 2013, 8:15am
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Elf Portrayal and Gandalf Personality
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Mahtion
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Feb 8 2013, 2:24pm
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I think you mistake the meaning of the complaint..
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 10 2013, 1:36am
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Point well taken
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 8 2013, 3:17pm
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point 4
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2013, 4:30pm
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Galadriel and gandalf
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Brethil
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Feb 6 2013, 11:39pm
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Only the "Why the Halfling" line.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 11:56pm
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yes, true
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Brethil
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Feb 6 2013, 11:59pm
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Dol Goldur
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:15am
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Well . . . I don't want to get into what it means for him to carry him from
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 12:17am
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Like echoing the staff breaking in Minias Tirith
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:43am
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Ach! God. I blot it from my mind. Thank God it was only in EE, NOT the theatrical.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 1:08am
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too far in (?)
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 1:38am
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If only it were clearly even equal!
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:02am
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In the high fells
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ElendilTheShort
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Feb 7 2013, 9:29am
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I hate that scene
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The White Wizard
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Feb 9 2013, 2:23pm
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Theatrical need
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Brethil
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Feb 9 2013, 3:32pm
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Interpretation
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Elessar
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Feb 7 2013, 2:31am
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Legal issues
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Feb 7 2013, 10:20am
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The Appendices already say that they are sent from The Lords of The West.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:10pm
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This makes me wonder...
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Ereinion Nénharma
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Feb 7 2013, 4:57pm
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Elrond knew. Cirdan and Glorfindel knew. Others of the Eldar may have guessed, but they did not definitively know until the end of The Third Age.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 5:05pm
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Thank you...
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Ereinion Nénharma
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Feb 7 2013, 5:13pm
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You are
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 5:19pm
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For love of a Wizard. Its threads like this
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 5:59pm
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*blushes mightily*
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 8:49pm
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Being mad on Istari-justice, I agree with you, though I think it depends on interpretation
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:53pm
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Yup
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MorgolKing
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Feb 7 2013, 1:40pm
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Then you'll love the Dol Guldur scenes
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stoutfiles
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Feb 7 2013, 2:44pm
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Gandalf became mightier later on
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Mahtion
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Feb 7 2013, 3:40pm
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Whaaaaaa?
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:19pm
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I don't think that Galadriel's depiction is that far off...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 3:53pm
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She invited them, and asked that Gandalf be the leader of The Council entire.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:23pm
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Even then, she did not get her way...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 4:27pm
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It wasn't Saruman's insistence but Gandalf's refusal that settled the matter.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:44pm
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I hope they will do no such thing
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dubulous
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Feb 7 2013, 5:54pm
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Humble in part by choice, Dubulous. Humple, not subserviant.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 8:45pm
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It's a different canon now
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Rostron2
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Feb 7 2013, 10:01pm
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The "Nine Reasons Why" article on home page
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Brethil
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Feb 9 2013, 11:25pm
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