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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:53pm
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Being mad on Istari-justice, I agree with you, though I think it depends on interpretation
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Take Elrond's line: "It is not me you must answer to". I don't see this as him saying "You must answer to your superior, Galadriel", rather I see it as him saying "I am not the only one among the Wise who does not understand your reasoning". I know that PJ was almost definitely trying to imply Gandalf's "inferiority" but those who think differently can ignore that connotation it as it's not explicitly stated. I think that Gandalf's burst of magic in G-T was a direct response from PJ & Co. concerning the lack of powerful magic employed by Gandalf in LOTR, and to give those people who keep arguing about whether Dumbledore or Gandalf is the better wizard something to think about (of course we all know the answer to that one here). Indeed it will be hard for Galadriel to top that power display, I think, unless she destroys Dol Guldur in the films as many believe she may. I've no idea how much power she has compared to Saruman in PJ's world, though she's undoubtedly more powerful than Elrond or Radagast in the film adaptation. Either way, even if Galadriel is more powerful in the Jackson universe, Gandalf has by far the greater wisdom, and is probably equal to Galadriel (if not slightly more powerful) in his guise as Gandalf the White. Despite all of this, one thing has to be remembered: this is not like some sort of card game where power is defined explicitly: as a Maia Gandalf is more powerful but maybe PJ is trying to emphasize that his power is limited in M-E, and that his role is to guide rather than to use force. In fact, I think that many of these discussions about "who is more powerful" would have annoyed Tolkien somewhat because of the reasoning I've given at the beginning of this paragraph.
"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!" "THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."
(This post was edited by Radagast-Aiwendil on Feb 7 2013, 12:55pm)
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A continuing vexation over the seeming lack of reverance shown by Galadriel to Gandalf, despite her knowledge of what he is and her high esteem of him. I hope they will rectify this in the coming films.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 10:23pm
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They've gone to too much trouble...
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Ardamírë
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Feb 6 2013, 11:14pm
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It is shameful. Him being a Great Wizard (and a Holy Spirit veiled in flesh) does not
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 11:30pm
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Quite shameful indeed!
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 4:05pm
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We should take both of those options under advisement, and
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:24pm
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On a more serious note...
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 4:40pm
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Actually, there is a very intimate encounter between them which Tolkien relays,
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:49pm
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UT material
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 5:06pm
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I agree...
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Ereinion Nénharma
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Feb 7 2013, 5:11pm
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I'm not sure how they could portray this.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 5:07pm
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I wouldn't expect them to portray this scene. They can't. They COULD
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 5:18pm
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I have no idea why someone would think she was his superior.
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Kassandros
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Feb 7 2013, 9:21pm
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A LOT of people thought so. Problematically, the people who lacked the prior knowledge to know better.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 9:54pm
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Galadriel is walking
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 8 2013, 1:43am
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I was actually suggesting that the seating denoted an honouring of the Istari, not the Elves.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 2:09am
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I like your suggestion about the seating
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Súlimë
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Feb 8 2013, 3:29am
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I get what you are saying, and there is some truth in what you are saying, however her
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 8 2013, 7:13am
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The White Council scene
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Súlimë
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Feb 8 2013, 8:15am
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Elf Portrayal and Gandalf Personality
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Mahtion
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Feb 8 2013, 2:24pm
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I think you mistake the meaning of the complaint..
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 10 2013, 1:36am
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Point well taken
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 8 2013, 3:17pm
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point 4
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Brethil
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Feb 8 2013, 4:30pm
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Galadriel and gandalf
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Brethil
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Feb 6 2013, 11:39pm
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Only the "Why the Halfling" line.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 11:56pm
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yes, true
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Brethil
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Feb 6 2013, 11:59pm
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Dol Goldur
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:15am
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Well . . . I don't want to get into what it means for him to carry him from
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 12:17am
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Like echoing the staff breaking in Minias Tirith
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:43am
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Ach! God. I blot it from my mind. Thank God it was only in EE, NOT the theatrical.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 1:08am
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too far in (?)
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 1:38am
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If only it were clearly even equal!
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:02am
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In the high fells
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ElendilTheShort
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Feb 7 2013, 9:29am
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I hate that scene
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The White Wizard
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Feb 9 2013, 2:23pm
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Theatrical need
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Brethil
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Feb 9 2013, 3:32pm
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Interpretation
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Elessar
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Feb 7 2013, 2:31am
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Legal issues
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Feb 7 2013, 10:20am
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The Appendices already say that they are sent from The Lords of The West.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:10pm
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This makes me wonder...
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Ereinion Nénharma
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Feb 7 2013, 4:57pm
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Elrond knew. Cirdan and Glorfindel knew. Others of the Eldar may have guessed, but they did not definitively know until the end of The Third Age.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 5:05pm
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Thank you...
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Ereinion Nénharma
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Feb 7 2013, 5:13pm
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You are
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 5:19pm
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For love of a Wizard. Its threads like this
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Brethil
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Feb 7 2013, 5:59pm
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*blushes mightily*
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 8:49pm
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Being mad on Istari-justice, I agree with you, though I think it depends on interpretation
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 7 2013, 12:53pm
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Yup
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MorgolKing
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Feb 7 2013, 1:40pm
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Then you'll love the Dol Guldur scenes
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stoutfiles
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Feb 7 2013, 2:44pm
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Gandalf became mightier later on
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Mahtion
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Feb 7 2013, 3:40pm
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Whaaaaaa?
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:19pm
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I don't think that Galadriel's depiction is that far off...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 3:53pm
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She invited them, and asked that Gandalf be the leader of The Council entire.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:23pm
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Even then, she did not get her way...
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2013, 4:27pm
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It wasn't Saruman's insistence but Gandalf's refusal that settled the matter.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 4:44pm
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I hope they will do no such thing
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dubulous
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Feb 7 2013, 5:54pm
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Humble in part by choice, Dubulous. Humple, not subserviant.
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 7 2013, 8:45pm
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It's a different canon now
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Rostron2
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Feb 7 2013, 10:01pm
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The "Nine Reasons Why" article on home page
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Brethil
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Feb 9 2013, 11:25pm
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