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Really like your post... literal versus literary aspects

noWizardme
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Feb 5 2013, 11:29am


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Really like your post... literal versus literary aspects [In reply to] Can't Post

I really like that post, both because of the "detective work" and for raising literal versus literary aspects to this. The literal one (quite literally "how did he do it?") has to work out more or less: if there were no feasible explanation at all story would become unsatisfactory. The literary use of Gollum, as you say, is a different matter: it does seem like Tolkien wants to keep us guessing; he could easily have had Frodo, Sam and Aragorn have in Moria the conversation they have several chapters later on the bank of the Anduin where they all say they've been aware of Gollum following them (but can't think of anything practical to do about it). I do agree - explaining Gollumns movements clearly would spoil this effect, and Tolkien has had to balance these different needs.

Other parts of the Moria sequence are a bit like that too - Gandalf has a magic wrestle with something over the door of the Chamber of Records. He thinks that this ends up bringing the ceiling down, and maybe his opponent has been buried inside. But we never find out more. Either that adds to the sense of building menace up to the confrontation with the Balrog on the Bridge, or it has you wondering who the first adversary was: was it the Balrog (not buried, or easily able to get out?) Another creature, and if so, what? (I believe that has all been debated at least once here!)

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Subject User Time
How'd He Do That? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 30 2013, 8:34pm
    The orcs got out rather quickly CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 30 2013, 8:57pm
        No Time...Plus.... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 30 2013, 11:00pm
    Assumptions Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 30 2013, 11:24pm
        Silly Me Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 31 2013, 1:24am
            I'm very sorry that Tolkien didn't spell everything out for you. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 31 2013, 3:35pm
                My Reply Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 31 2013, 4:45pm
                    explanations and speculation - something the Tolkiens started! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 1:18pm
                        Other uses of the Bridge of Khazad-dum squire Send a private message to squire Feb 3 2013, 2:30pm
                            Nice one! I did say "tastes vary!"... // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 3:21pm
                    A bit of textual backup... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 5 2013, 11:06am
                        Really like your post... literal versus literary aspects noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 5 2013, 11:29am
                        About the shafts CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 5 2013, 2:50pm
                            'Rope!' muttered Sam.... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 5 2013, 5:06pm
                            Thanks FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 6 2013, 2:05pm
                                Excellent, as usual! // sador Send a private message to sador Feb 6 2013, 2:34pm
                                There are no final answers, but that one is a good one :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 6 2013, 6:23pm
    The mountain seemed to be riddled with tunnels and passages... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 30 2013, 11:44pm
        So he beat them all out. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 31 2013, 5:06am
        This +1 // Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 8 2013, 5:03pm

 
 
 

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