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swordwhale
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Feb 3 2013, 8:40pm
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Dwarves... why did it have to be Dwarves...
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Regal, determined, handsome. but definitely a Dwarf. I was thinking that folks have a hard time seeing these thirteen men as Dwarves because there is very little to reference them against. Only one hobbit and a Wizard in human form, a few elves, and a mess of goblins of varying sizes. I think when we get to DoS and TaBA, we will see them on screen simultaneously with more and different creatures and their size and proportions might be more dwarf-like in some peoples mind.
Well said. I kept having scale issues watching the film... I'd forget that they were short. But then the concept is that they aren't really short (from the Dwarvish point of view) it's just that everyone else is too tall. A lot of the eye (camera) level is their eye level or lower, so we are often looking up at them. I thinnk it was necessary to put the audience in the Hobbit/Dwarf viewpoint at the beginning... later we will, like the characters, encounter a larger world in which they may seem smaller and more vulnerable.
The Hobbit came out (book) 3 months before Disney's Snow White (first full length animated feature ever in the Knowne Worlde). Both of these have influenced our modern perception of this archetype. Because Disney had the visual advantage (movie!), those short funny little guys (who actually pretty much all look alike) are stuck in our collective unconcious as Dwarves. Of course the Hobbit influenced every other fantasy genre that came along in the 20th century... and the archetypes that are part of it.
There's something that happens to myths and legends over time... they degenerate. Balin describes it perfectly with his line about "tinkers, toymakes, hardly the stuff of legend". By the time we get to the Hobbit film, we've had more than half a century of myth degeneration, and fat guys with Santa beards.
Thank Illuvatar for WETA.
Please please please oscars for these geniuses! They have given the archetype back its power. Yes, we have to connect with a modern audience... but that doesn't mean we have to so sparkly pretty boys. And they didn't. They gave us 13 awesomely unique induviduals.
...who all still channel the Dwarf archetype.
If you look at fandom, all these characters have their fans, artists drawing them, telling their backstories, showing their lives offscreen... because they love them, in some cases (the "Oakenshields") becasue they are hot... and in some cases (Bofur, and his amazing hat) for reasons we can't quite fathom (maybe Nice Guys win after all).
I'm continually amazed by the character design... and I've always been a fan (and artist and writer) of the Elves...
WETA rocks!
Go outside and play...
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Do you think they could have still made the Dwarves appealing
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Thorins_apprentice
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Feb 2 2013, 2:45pm
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This wasn't really an "Oscar" movie...
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bborchar
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Feb 2 2013, 3:42pm
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I second the opinion that this wasn't an Oscar movie
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Old Toby
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Feb 2 2013, 6:05pm
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Oscars
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glor
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Feb 2 2013, 6:54pm
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plus the oscars are very political
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julia0925
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Feb 5 2013, 4:25pm
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Thorin is a dwarf
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:15pm
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Of course he is!
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Kirly
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Feb 2 2013, 8:04pm
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Exactly. In LOTR, Gimli stood out.
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Kimtc
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Feb 2 2013, 8:20pm
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height difference between hobbits and dwarves
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Kirly
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Feb 2 2013, 8:33pm
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In Brian Sibley's book, the Official Movie Guide, he talks about the size
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Old Toby
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Feb 3 2013, 6:04am
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gimlii fitted in TH
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mefansmum
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Feb 3 2013, 3:41am
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Dwarves... why did it have to be Dwarves...
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swordwhale
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Feb 3 2013, 8:40pm
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Thanks! and....
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Kirly
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Feb 3 2013, 10:10pm
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it was necessary to put the audience in the Hobbit/Dwarf viewpoint...
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glor
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Feb 6 2013, 1:32am
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A-peelin' bananas, a-peelin' oranges...
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Roheryn
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Feb 2 2013, 10:36pm
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yeah
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marillaraina
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Feb 3 2013, 3:12am
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noses
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Kirly
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Feb 3 2013, 3:22am
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I love that video you linked to in another thread
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Tintallė
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Feb 3 2013, 5:30pm
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Got North and South
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Old Toby
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Feb 3 2013, 10:51pm
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Absolutely. The talent to pull it off is there, from acting and writing to design, and everything in-between.
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Macfeast
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Feb 3 2013, 12:15am
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Oh cripes... they're awesome!
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 3 2013, 8:35pm
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For some people, yes. For others, no.
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Escapist
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Feb 5 2013, 4:38pm
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POV
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swordwhale
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Feb 6 2013, 6:20am
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Easily
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aarondirebear
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Feb 12 2013, 7:53pm
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