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Valar and Elves

CuriousG
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Feb 3 2013, 7:02pm


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Thanks for your replies, Telain, and yes, they certainly do measure up.

Aule would get my vote as someone who ought to be traipsing around Middle-earth along with the other two. Wouldn't he be concerned with mountains, hills, anything that's solid land that Melkor may have twisted? Wouldn't he be able to smash down the Misty Mountains after Melkor raised them to hinder Orome? Shouldn't he take long walks with Yavanna in foreign lands to keep the romance alive?

Re: constellations. So far we have 2 votes in favor of them being recognizable. I'm divided myself. I like looking at the Big Dipper and thinking, "Ha! Varda put that there to herald Melkor's doom," and in that context, it looks scary, scarier as a Sickle than a cup. But I don't like going down the road of comparing Tolkien's world to our own and figuring out which continent is Asia or Africa, etc, so maybe I just need to stop at the stars.

I should clarify that I meant the Two Trees of Valinor, not trees in general vs. stars. I consider the Two Trees to "outshine" (sorry) Varda's stars as the greatest work of the Valar because in themselves (born from song and giving light to a vast land) they are simply awesome, and the fate of the world is tied up with them.

It seems that the fundamental flaw of the Elves is sadness, and of Men it's pride and treachery (okay, that's two). You're right that if nothing was ever wrong, we'd have a happy photo of pretty people that would never change, one glance would be enough. That's probably why most of us can't figure out the seemingly flawless Vanyar, or why Ingwe qualifies as High King of the Elves, all of them, unless it's his near-perfection. In a way the Vanyar seem like wasted potential, and I'd like to know more about them. But that might be intentional on Tolkien's part since it puts some mystery in the story, the same way I wondered all through LOTR who had the other two of the Three Rings.

Mandos seems to speak and reveal the future when Manwe tells him to, and this seems a big enough matter for Manwe to want to know what the cryptic remark meant. Maybe it was cryptic enough that Manwe wasn't concerned by it, or maybe the Valar were so ecstatic to have the Elves come live with them that they weren't going to pay attention to "Debbie Downer," or maybe they were absent-minded in the same way they were in letting some of Melkor's minions escape them.

Subject User Time
The Silmarillion discussion: Of the Coming of the Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:34am
    Brief comment from "Arda Reconstructed" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:55am
        I'm enjoying seeing these brief comments from AR Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 1 2013, 7:34pm
        As far as I remember, not exactly. sador Send a private message to sador Feb 12 2013, 9:33pm
            Some corrections Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 2:41am
                Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 13 2013, 5:12pm
                    Food for thought is good! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 7:00pm
                        "It needed a week's answer, or none." sador Send a private message to sador Feb 15 2013, 2:04pm
                            I'm always interested in what you have to say! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 15 2013, 3:51pm
    birth and other questions fo Elves elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 1 2013, 4:15pm
        >>Why do you think Melkor was nibbling around the edges of the Elves and kidnapping them a few at a time? Why not enslave them all at once? They weren't exactly a fighting force. Asger Send a private message to Asger Feb 1 2013, 6:57pm
        Elves and the bad guy CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm
    great post! I hope my answers measure up... telain Send a private message to telain Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
        Doom and Deepness and Damned, sexy orcs noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 6:06pm
            Mandos and his secrets CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 9:12pm
                doomed by doom? telain Send a private message to telain Feb 5 2013, 4:32pm
        Valar and Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:02pm
    Of Elves and Orcs--more info CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:56pm
    Answers at last sador Send a private message to sador Feb 11 2013, 12:16pm
        late thought about stars, and links to real Earth noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:35pm
            Oh, the next chapter disscussion HAS started... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:38pm
            Middle-earth and Real-earth telain Send a private message to telain Feb 12 2013, 4:25pm
        Answers to answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 15 2013, 1:51am

 
 
 

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