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CuriousG
Half-elven
Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm
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I appreciate all your comments, particularly those on why Melkor didn't enslave all of the Elves at once. Don't upset Daddy Eru with mass slaughter, or he'll come to your room! And it's fertile ground to think that Melkor would have preferred that the Elves cause trouble among the Valar rather than eradicating them or capturing all of them. There's no end to his malice.
I wonder myself why Tolkien gives us a richly textured history of the Noldor and Sindar, and virtually nothing on the Vanyar. Maybe he just ran out of ideas? One could say that the Noldor had flaws, and you need flaws to be interesting and have plot and conflict, so having no flaws, the Vanyar provide no grist for the writing mill. But I'm not sure the Sindar have flaws, unless pacifism and a tendency to shun authority are flaws, but I don't think so, those traits just make them easy prey..
Regarding where do baby Elves come from, one curiosity is that Elwe and Olwe are brothers. So where are their parents? Were they both lost to Melkor's kidnappers? But Mandos, Nienna, and Lorien are siblings and have no more parentage than any other Valar, so possibly Olwe and Elwe are related in the same non-reproductive way. (Now I wonder who gave birth to TORnsibs...)
It's said of the Elves that "they began to make speech," so that's something they learned on their own somehow, presumably without going through the stages we assume humans had of grunting and pointing before figuring out words and grammar. Maybe speech is inborn knowledge to them, a start-up gift from Iluvatar, along with all the other things like cooking and making clothes.
How many were there? Tolkien gives me the impression of thousands, but he's quite noncommittal about numbers. Later on in The Fifth Battle, Turgon shows up with 10,000 soldiers, and I remember how that struck me on first read how rare Tolkien gives any statistics. "Lots!" doesn't quite satisfy, but I suppose it allows the imagination to fill in the blanks. What do others think about the original number of Elves: hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, millions?
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The Silmarillion discussion: Of the Coming of the Elves
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CuriousG
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Feb 1 2013, 5:34am
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Brief comment from "Arda Reconstructed"
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CuriousG
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Feb 1 2013, 5:55am
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I'm enjoying seeing these brief comments from AR
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 1 2013, 7:34pm
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As far as I remember, not exactly.
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sador
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Feb 12 2013, 9:33pm
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Some corrections
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 13 2013, 2:41am
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Thank you!
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sador
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Feb 13 2013, 5:12pm
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Food for thought is good!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 13 2013, 7:00pm
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"It needed a week's answer, or none."
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sador
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Feb 15 2013, 2:04pm
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I'm always interested in what you have to say! //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 15 2013, 3:51pm
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birth and other questions fo Elves
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elevorn
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Feb 1 2013, 4:15pm
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>>Why do you think Melkor was nibbling around the edges of the Elves and kidnapping them a few at a time? Why not enslave them all at once? They weren't exactly a fighting force.
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Asger
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Feb 1 2013, 6:57pm
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Elves and the bad guy
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CuriousG
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Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm
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great post! I hope my answers measure up...
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telain
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Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
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Doom and Deepness and Damned, sexy orcs
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noWizardme
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Feb 3 2013, 6:06pm
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Mandos and his secrets
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CuriousG
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Feb 3 2013, 9:12pm
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doomed by doom?
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telain
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Feb 5 2013, 4:32pm
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Valar and Elves
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CuriousG
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Feb 3 2013, 7:02pm
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Of Elves and Orcs--more info
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CuriousG
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Feb 3 2013, 7:56pm
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Answers at last
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sador
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Feb 11 2013, 12:16pm
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late thought about stars, and links to real Earth
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noWizardme
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Feb 11 2013, 2:35pm
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Oh, the next chapter disscussion HAS started...
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noWizardme
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Feb 11 2013, 2:38pm
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Middle-earth and Real-earth
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telain
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Feb 12 2013, 4:25pm
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Answers to answers
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CuriousG
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Feb 15 2013, 1:51am
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