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Elves and the bad guy

CuriousG
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Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm


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I appreciate all your comments, particularly those on why Melkor didn't enslave all of the Elves at once. Don't upset Daddy Eru with mass slaughter, or he'll come to your room! And it's fertile ground to think that Melkor would have preferred that the Elves cause trouble among the Valar rather than eradicating them or capturing all of them. There's no end to his malice.

I wonder myself why Tolkien gives us a richly textured history of the Noldor and Sindar, and virtually nothing on the Vanyar. Maybe he just ran out of ideas? One could say that the Noldor had flaws, and you need flaws to be interesting and have plot and conflict, so having no flaws, the Vanyar provide no grist for the writing mill. But I'm not sure the Sindar have flaws, unless pacifism and a tendency to shun authority are flaws, but I don't think so, those traits just make them easy prey..

Regarding where do baby Elves come from, one curiosity is that Elwe and Olwe are brothers. So where are their parents? Were they both lost to Melkor's kidnappers? But Mandos, Nienna, and Lorien are siblings and have no more parentage than any other Valar, so possibly Olwe and Elwe are related in the same non-reproductive way. (Now I wonder who gave birth to TORnsibs...)

It's said of the Elves that "they began to make speech," so that's something they learned on their own somehow, presumably without going through the stages we assume humans had of grunting and pointing before figuring out words and grammar. Maybe speech is inborn knowledge to them, a start-up gift from Iluvatar, along with all the other things like cooking and making clothes.

How many were there? Tolkien gives me the impression of thousands, but he's quite noncommittal about numbers. Later on in The Fifth Battle, Turgon shows up with 10,000 soldiers, and I remember how that struck me on first read how rare Tolkien gives any statistics. "Lots!" doesn't quite satisfy, but I suppose it allows the imagination to fill in the blanks. What do others think about the original number of Elves: hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, millions?

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The Silmarillion discussion: Of the Coming of the Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:34am
    Brief comment from "Arda Reconstructed" CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 1 2013, 5:55am
        I'm enjoying seeing these brief comments from AR Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 1 2013, 7:34pm
        As far as I remember, not exactly. sador Send a private message to sador Feb 12 2013, 9:33pm
            Some corrections Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 2:41am
                Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 13 2013, 5:12pm
                    Food for thought is good! Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 13 2013, 7:00pm
                        "It needed a week's answer, or none." sador Send a private message to sador Feb 15 2013, 2:04pm
                            I'm always interested in what you have to say! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Feb 15 2013, 3:51pm
    birth and other questions fo Elves elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Feb 1 2013, 4:15pm
        >>Why do you think Melkor was nibbling around the edges of the Elves and kidnapping them a few at a time? Why not enslave them all at once? They weren't exactly a fighting force. Asger Send a private message to Asger Feb 1 2013, 6:57pm
        Elves and the bad guy CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 6:31pm
    great post! I hope my answers measure up... telain Send a private message to telain Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
        Doom and Deepness and Damned, sexy orcs noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 6:06pm
            Mandos and his secrets CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 9:12pm
                doomed by doom? telain Send a private message to telain Feb 5 2013, 4:32pm
        Valar and Elves CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:02pm
    Of Elves and Orcs--more info CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 3 2013, 7:56pm
    Answers at last sador Send a private message to sador Feb 11 2013, 12:16pm
        late thought about stars, and links to real Earth noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:35pm
            Oh, the next chapter disscussion HAS started... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 11 2013, 2:38pm
            Middle-earth and Real-earth telain Send a private message to telain Feb 12 2013, 4:25pm
        Answers to answers CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 15 2013, 1:51am

 
 
 

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