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glor
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Feb 1 2013, 10:56pm
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Before I start I will clarify my position on RA; It was AUJ that made me notice RA, as actor whom I had been watching on TV for almost a decade and, didn't realise that John Thornton, The Vicar of Dibley's other half and Lucas North amongst others were the same actor, which is a good thing. I though his Thorin was immense and intriguing and Thorin's age/experience came through in his voice, a voice that was able to sing Misty Mountains as Thorin, as if it rumbled out of the mountain itself. Take Thorin, for example. A middle-aged handsome man portraying the primary action hero, that's about one of the most common archetypes in cinematic storytelling. An elderly longbearded man in his last years playing that role? Much less common. Staying closer to the longbearded and elderly visage for a character like Thorin would have been a much bigger risk, because that is not really a proven approach to action heroes, as far as cinematic storytelling goes. I totally agree with your point. I think ageism in film, and TV needs to be challenged and there was the potential for The Hobbit to take up this challenge. However, RA was the youngest actor that PJ and co auditioned for the role of Thorin, nor is RA an actor this 45 year old female would consider Hollywood Handsome, his nose is too big and his face too narrow for the conventions of mainstream movie good looks, that doesn't make him unattractive but I would challenge your notion that he is conventionally handsome in a stereotypical Hollywood sense. As for beards, well I would loved to have seen long elaborate beards,but perhaps because I sat through many a BBC childrens TV shows in the 70s and bad Shakespeare for schools films, long elaborate beards tend to look ridiculously waggly and comical when actors speak. I believe that they had issues with JRDs prosthetic beard (allergies aside) and with intial costume tests for TH, when it came to beards falling off when actors talked, looking daft when movement was involved etc. There may be a good reason why the main 'action' lead dwarves lack substantial beards in TH and it may be the same reason why substantial beards are often omitted from film and TV, they just don't work in a visual medium with actors giving quality performances, they just move in an odd and distracting fashion. It is worth noting that even Gandalf's beard is wispy to avoid this effect and Gandalf the White in ROTK, where Sir Ian gets more action and fighting sequences has a shorter almost Thorin like beard, perhaps to avoid the ridiculous waggle effect? Portraying him with a decently sized beard would be much more risky, and would really push the limits of what audiences often considers an attractive character. May I challenge a stereotype . This woman, along with many others I know find beards attractive, the bigger the better.
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What did you think of the movie Thorin?
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bborchar
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Jan 31 2013, 6:57pm
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Surprise...I loved movie Thorin!
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arithmancer
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Jan 31 2013, 7:33pm
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Its true.
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Brethil
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Jan 31 2013, 8:21pm
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I think the key to movie-Thorin is his voice.
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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 7:37pm
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Mods up! And...
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Owain
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Jan 31 2013, 7:52pm
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Mmmmm...
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Roheryn
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Jan 31 2013, 8:51pm
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I had never considered those physical limitations
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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 9:01pm
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prosthetic effects as well
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mefansmum
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Feb 1 2013, 7:21am
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Simple to me...
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MasterOrc
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Jan 31 2013, 8:07pm
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A very pleasant suprise!
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Angharad73
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Jan 31 2013, 8:22pm
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I had no preconceived notions as to how he should be portrayed so:
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florian
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Jan 31 2013, 8:37pm
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Then why did Balin age so much?
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:54am
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In the movie Balin is portrayed as being older.
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florian
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Feb 1 2013, 2:50am
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I liked him actually
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jan 31 2013, 8:38pm
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Funny Thing
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 1 2013, 9:58pm
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I know what you mean
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 1 2013, 10:02pm
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Was a bit different than what I imagined.
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Kimtc
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Jan 31 2013, 8:56pm
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Great acting, great writing, disappointingly short beard. //
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Macfeast
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Jan 31 2013, 9:04pm
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As for the age.
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Macfeast
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Jan 31 2013, 10:37pm
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Very well said!
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 12:49am
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I thought Armitage was excellent. For me, it was all in the design. //
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 1:59am
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I didnt sadly
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 3:48am
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But this younger Thorin has much more to lose...
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Roheryn
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Feb 1 2013, 1:07am
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Old Thorin could have lived out his last years in peace, but didn't. He went to reclaim the home of his people.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 2:00am
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I respectfully disagree.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:15am
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Frequently.
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Roheryn
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Jan 31 2013, 9:23pm
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He's more than eye candy?
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:57am
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Yes, he IS nice to look at
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ShireHorse
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Feb 1 2013, 2:16pm
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Davy Jones' role in the entertainment industry
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 4:59pm
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You seem to be implying
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:03pm
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spectacular!
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Old Toby
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Jan 31 2013, 10:30pm
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Yeah, that's what I *meant* to say!
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Roheryn
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Feb 1 2013, 12:57am
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As much as I want to agree with you...
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:11am
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Anyway, as much as I hate to admit it, I think GdT was much braver in his casting decision and vision of Thorin. And I think this Thorin is too conventional and taking the easy, pop culture road
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 3:42am
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practical and logical to go younger
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MistyMountain
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Feb 1 2013, 3:58am
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Lets be practical then
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 4:08am
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He does not wear a costume weighing over 40 pounds.. (20-30 kg).//
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 4:53am
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John Callen?
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 6:55am
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Theoden
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 1 2013, 10:09pm
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Good point
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Rostron2
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Feb 1 2013, 4:51pm
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We can have more than one elder statesman
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:20pm
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thorin the great.
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andwise
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Jan 31 2013, 10:33pm
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Thorin was this movie's Boromir, for me
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entmaiden
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Jan 31 2013, 10:52pm
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Based on the early PR shots, he didn't look hot.
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Kimtc
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Jan 31 2013, 11:05pm
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yeah in the earlier renditions
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Old Toby
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Jan 31 2013, 11:36pm
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That nails it.
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Elizabeth
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Feb 1 2013, 12:10am
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Love him as Thorin!
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Eowyn3
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Jan 31 2013, 11:42pm
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Spot on!//
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Rostron2
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Jan 31 2013, 11:48pm
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Guess I should answer my own questions...
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 12:12am
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Alas!
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:52am
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I was much more pleased with him than I initially expected after first seeing the younger look
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 1 2013, 1:58am
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Movie Thorin
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Gelir
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Feb 1 2013, 3:12am
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I think PJ did tweak Balin's age for the movie
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florian
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Feb 1 2013, 3:27am
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RE: Thorin
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Retro315
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Feb 1 2013, 4:52am
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I love movie Thorin!
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Súlimë
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Feb 1 2013, 6:56am
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good
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 7:31am
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This is a very interesting observation.
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Kimtc
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Feb 1 2013, 3:03pm
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Me to
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 3:08pm
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one of the things I love about these dwarves
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Old Toby
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Feb 1 2013, 3:41pm
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They are all short and stocky
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 3:47pm
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yes you're right
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Old Toby
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Feb 1 2013, 3:58pm
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Yeah i would agree with that
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 4:14pm
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atypical
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 4:49pm
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I think this is a good point...
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 4:59pm
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snow white
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 5:04pm
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I can't name all of snow whites 7 dwarves
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:12pm
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The other dwarves are unconventional
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:26pm
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I don't think they risked that much with the unconventional dwarven designs, really.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 5:59pm
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Very true.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:33pm
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agree but..
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glor
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Feb 1 2013, 10:56pm
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In all honesty
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:18pm
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Surprise! I didn't like movie-Thorin much after the first viewing.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Feb 1 2013, 2:25pm
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I like him
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 2:29pm
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I say they're setting him up as Isildur.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:11pm
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Surprised to see you write that
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 6:31pm
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It felt superficial to me
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:26pm
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Just Bilbo? (***Book Spoilers***)
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arithmancer
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Feb 2 2013, 3:04am
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So the relationship in the book makes no sense?
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hutch
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Feb 2 2013, 5:10am
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Not exactly
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arithmancer
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Feb 4 2013, 3:57pm
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Thorin (book and movie) - jerk?
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 5:55pm
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I think you're spot on with the Boromir-comparison, with added scenes and the like.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 6:49pm
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Gold was the dwarves' selfish folly
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:31pm
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I wouldnt count out the gold lust
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moreorless
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Feb 2 2013, 6:35am
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What I meant was
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hutch
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Feb 2 2013, 6:59am
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Not sure I really see that...
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moreorless
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Feb 2 2013, 8:16am
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Better than the book
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CathrineB
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Feb 2 2013, 9:23am
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Wonder how can this be possible
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:40pm
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Not alone :)
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Gelir
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Feb 1 2013, 10:13pm
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It´s sadder because he had flaws
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:46pm
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I felt completely differently...
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bborchar
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Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
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I liked him better
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Elessar
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Feb 1 2013, 2:39pm
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on thorin
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cartermoulton
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Feb 1 2013, 4:53pm
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Better than the book
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lindorian
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Feb 1 2013, 5:13pm
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better than the book?
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 5:17pm
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Better than the book?
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nycwine
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Feb 1 2013, 5:38pm
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Book Thorin was much more complex and realistic
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:38pm
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How is book-Thorin complex?
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 10:15pm
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ok fair enough
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 11:23pm
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Thanks for the no spoiler alert
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sphdle1
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Feb 2 2013, 4:31am
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It's all about the eyes
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Bellerock
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Feb 2 2013, 1:43am
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Thorin
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Ireth
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Feb 2 2013, 11:17am
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Being a fan of book Thorin before all this
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:25pm
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I wasn't looking forward to the Hobbit
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Esmeralda
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Feb 2 2013, 11:24pm
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I'm in total agreement with Peter Jackson
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GloryBox
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Feb 3 2013, 7:11am
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Just as Jackson's Boromir
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 3 2013, 8:31pm
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Yup, with ya all the way gramma
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Old Toby
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Feb 3 2013, 11:14pm
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Me, too!
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kiwifan
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Feb 4 2013, 7:10pm
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Nor do I think he would want to
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arithmancer
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Feb 4 2013, 7:39pm
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You're so right about Boromir and Thorin
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GloryBox
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Feb 3 2013, 11:45pm
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