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yes yes it was

rangerfromthenorth
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Feb 1 2013, 6:14pm


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sorry, I am mixing my memory up here, I meant to refer Tolkien's first writings of Tom which were written and published before LOTR, my apologies. This is what Tolkien was referencing in his 1937 letter where he refers to Tom as the "Spirit of vanishing Oxfordshire countryside," a work that was not written nor intended to be explanatory of Middle Earth. Sometimes people use this in the Tom debate when though it is explanatory later in the letter Tolkien writes that he may not include Tom in further writings, but if he does he will have to "enlarge him" and that he was consumed with creating a "consistent world." So essentially I saying we need to understand the context of each of his writings. For there is much more in some his other writings that would have supported my arguments (especially the existence of oterh spirits) but i did not want to place to much emphasis on early manuscripts that Tolkien did not carry to their fulfillment because there may or may not be reason for them being changed or left out.

As far as the Silmarrillion goes, it is not completed though it is the most completed of those works that we possess. So for "canon" I mean that the authority of different manuscripts need to be considered, Tolkien was constantly editing and narrowing and reshaping his stories to make them more consistent. So, for example, The balrogs should we heed the early manuscripts that there we many or the later ones when Tolkien decided they were limited in number? I think clearly the later texts are more representative than the first words he wrote about the Fall of Gondolin when the world was not yet fully developed. Part of the problem, and the joy, is that Tolkien is so popular that even his drafts and notes have been published. They are insightful but should not be viewed as authoritative when they prove contradictory to later writings. much like when you write a draft of a paper it would be unfair to say the first draft is as authoritative to your intent as the last.

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Tom Bombadil As the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 17 2013, 4:27pm
    Thanks for this! Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jan 17 2013, 8:57pm
    Great Theory Lost_istari Send a private message to Lost_istari Jan 18 2013, 7:56pm
        Thank you much rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 22 2013, 2:07pm
        Agreed CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 23 2013, 5:53pm
            A quick thought on children of Ainur Lost_istari Send a private message to Lost_istari Jan 24 2013, 6:46am
    Excellent theory! FlyingSerkis Send a private message to FlyingSerkis Jan 23 2013, 9:13pm
        Thank You rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 23 2013, 9:33pm
    Regarding Bombadil's boundedness Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 28 2013, 5:59am
    I Know Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 30 2013, 8:38pm
    "None has yet defined him, for Tom is an enigma" squire Send a private message to squire Jan 31 2013, 1:27am
        Great poem/ CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 31 2013, 1:34am
        Great Poem Indeed rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 31 2013, 2:29am
            It is certainly a great topic to debate squire Send a private message to squire Feb 1 2013, 3:14am
                a "most" dangerous discussion rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Feb 1 2013, 3:32pm
                    ATB was published after LOTR. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 1 2013, 5:55pm
                        yes yes it was rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Feb 1 2013, 6:14pm
                        thats where the confusion came from rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Feb 1 2013, 6:22pm
                            Tolkien did alter the poem for its 1962 re-publication. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 1 2013, 7:51pm
                    Very nicely stated squire Send a private message to squire Feb 1 2013, 8:38pm
    This may interest you. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 1 2013, 5:46am

 
 
 

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