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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 5:59pm
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I don't think they risked that much with the unconventional dwarven designs, really.
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While it's true that some of the dwarven designs are unconventional as far as fantasy goes, this is cinematic storytelling we're dealing with, a branch of storytelling that don't often feature characters with such designs. I believe the biggest risk lies in staying true to the dwarven guidelines, not diverging from them. Which audience is biggest, the one that knows conventional dwarven designs by heart and that would have been caught off-guard by their absence, or the audience that would have been caught off-guard by dwarven designs for characters of great importance in an big-league movie? Take Thorin, for example. A middle-aged handsome man portraying the primary action hero, that's about one of the most common archetypes in cinematic storytelling. An elderly longbearded man in his last years playing that role? Much less common. Staying closer to the longbearded and elderly visage for a character like Thorin would have been a much bigger risk, because that is not really a proven approach to action heroes, as far as cinematic storytelling goes. Kíli? Take away the costume, and he's the handsome guy in his early twenties that we've seen so many times before. No risk whatsoever. Portraying him with a decently sized beard would be much more risky, and would really push the limits of what audiences often considers an attractive character.
(This post was edited by Macfeast on Feb 1 2013, 6:03pm)
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What did you think of the movie Thorin?
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bborchar
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Jan 31 2013, 6:57pm
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Surprise...I loved movie Thorin!
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arithmancer
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Jan 31 2013, 7:33pm
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Its true.
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Brethil
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Jan 31 2013, 8:21pm
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I think the key to movie-Thorin is his voice.
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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 7:37pm
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Mods up! And...
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Owain
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Jan 31 2013, 7:52pm
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Mmmmm...
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Roheryn
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Jan 31 2013, 8:51pm
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I had never considered those physical limitations
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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 9:01pm
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prosthetic effects as well
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mefansmum
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Feb 1 2013, 7:21am
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Simple to me...
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MasterOrc
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Jan 31 2013, 8:07pm
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A very pleasant suprise!
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Angharad73
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Jan 31 2013, 8:22pm
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I had no preconceived notions as to how he should be portrayed so:
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florian
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Jan 31 2013, 8:37pm
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Then why did Balin age so much?
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:54am
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In the movie Balin is portrayed as being older.
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florian
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Feb 1 2013, 2:50am
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I liked him actually
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jan 31 2013, 8:38pm
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Funny Thing
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 1 2013, 9:58pm
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I know what you mean
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 1 2013, 10:02pm
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Was a bit different than what I imagined.
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Kimtc
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Jan 31 2013, 8:56pm
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Great acting, great writing, disappointingly short beard. //
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Macfeast
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Jan 31 2013, 9:04pm
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As for the age.
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Macfeast
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Jan 31 2013, 10:37pm
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Very well said!
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 12:49am
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I thought Armitage was excellent. For me, it was all in the design. //
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 1:59am
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I didnt sadly
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 3:48am
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But this younger Thorin has much more to lose...
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Roheryn
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Feb 1 2013, 1:07am
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Old Thorin could have lived out his last years in peace, but didn't. He went to reclaim the home of his people.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 2:00am
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I respectfully disagree.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:15am
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Frequently.
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Roheryn
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Jan 31 2013, 9:23pm
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He's more than eye candy?
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:57am
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Yes, he IS nice to look at
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ShireHorse
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Feb 1 2013, 2:16pm
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Davy Jones' role in the entertainment industry
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 4:59pm
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You seem to be implying
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:03pm
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spectacular!
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Old Toby
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Jan 31 2013, 10:30pm
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Yeah, that's what I *meant* to say!
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Roheryn
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Feb 1 2013, 12:57am
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As much as I want to agree with you...
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:11am
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Anyway, as much as I hate to admit it, I think GdT was much braver in his casting decision and vision of Thorin. And I think this Thorin is too conventional and taking the easy, pop culture road
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 3:42am
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practical and logical to go younger
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MistyMountain
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Feb 1 2013, 3:58am
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Lets be practical then
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 4:08am
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He does not wear a costume weighing over 40 pounds.. (20-30 kg).//
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 4:53am
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John Callen?
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 6:55am
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Theoden
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 1 2013, 10:09pm
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Good point
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Rostron2
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Feb 1 2013, 4:51pm
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We can have more than one elder statesman
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:20pm
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thorin the great.
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andwise
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Jan 31 2013, 10:33pm
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Thorin was this movie's Boromir, for me
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entmaiden
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Jan 31 2013, 10:52pm
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Based on the early PR shots, he didn't look hot.
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Kimtc
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Jan 31 2013, 11:05pm
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yeah in the earlier renditions
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Old Toby
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Jan 31 2013, 11:36pm
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That nails it.
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Elizabeth
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Feb 1 2013, 12:10am
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Love him as Thorin!
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Eowyn3
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Jan 31 2013, 11:42pm
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Spot on!//
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Rostron2
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Jan 31 2013, 11:48pm
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Guess I should answer my own questions...
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 12:12am
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Alas!
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:52am
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I was much more pleased with him than I initially expected after first seeing the younger look
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 1 2013, 1:58am
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Movie Thorin
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Gelir
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Feb 1 2013, 3:12am
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I think PJ did tweak Balin's age for the movie
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florian
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Feb 1 2013, 3:27am
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RE: Thorin
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Retro315
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Feb 1 2013, 4:52am
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I love movie Thorin!
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Súlimë
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Feb 1 2013, 6:56am
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good
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 7:31am
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This is a very interesting observation.
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Kimtc
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Feb 1 2013, 3:03pm
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Me to
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 3:08pm
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one of the things I love about these dwarves
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Old Toby
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Feb 1 2013, 3:41pm
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They are all short and stocky
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 3:47pm
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yes you're right
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Old Toby
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Feb 1 2013, 3:58pm
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Yeah i would agree with that
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 4:14pm
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atypical
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 4:49pm
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I think this is a good point...
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 4:59pm
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snow white
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 5:04pm
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I can't name all of snow whites 7 dwarves
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:12pm
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The other dwarves are unconventional
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:26pm
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I don't think they risked that much with the unconventional dwarven designs, really.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 5:59pm
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Very true.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:33pm
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agree but..
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glor
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Feb 1 2013, 10:56pm
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In all honesty
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:18pm
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Surprise! I didn't like movie-Thorin much after the first viewing.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Feb 1 2013, 2:25pm
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I like him
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 2:29pm
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I say they're setting him up as Isildur.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:11pm
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Surprised to see you write that
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 6:31pm
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It felt superficial to me
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:26pm
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Just Bilbo? (***Book Spoilers***)
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arithmancer
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Feb 2 2013, 3:04am
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So the relationship in the book makes no sense?
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hutch
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Feb 2 2013, 5:10am
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Not exactly
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arithmancer
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Feb 4 2013, 3:57pm
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Thorin (book and movie) - jerk?
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 5:55pm
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I think you're spot on with the Boromir-comparison, with added scenes and the like.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 6:49pm
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Gold was the dwarves' selfish folly
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:31pm
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I wouldnt count out the gold lust
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moreorless
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Feb 2 2013, 6:35am
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What I meant was
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hutch
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Feb 2 2013, 6:59am
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Not sure I really see that...
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moreorless
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Feb 2 2013, 8:16am
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Better than the book
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CathrineB
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Feb 2 2013, 9:23am
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Wonder how can this be possible
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:40pm
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Not alone :)
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Gelir
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Feb 1 2013, 10:13pm
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It´s sadder because he had flaws
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:46pm
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I felt completely differently...
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bborchar
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Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
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I liked him better
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Elessar
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Feb 1 2013, 2:39pm
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on thorin
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cartermoulton
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Feb 1 2013, 4:53pm
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Better than the book
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lindorian
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Feb 1 2013, 5:13pm
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better than the book?
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 5:17pm
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Better than the book?
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nycwine
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Feb 1 2013, 5:38pm
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Book Thorin was much more complex and realistic
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:38pm
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How is book-Thorin complex?
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 10:15pm
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ok fair enough
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 11:23pm
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Thanks for the no spoiler alert
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sphdle1
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Feb 2 2013, 4:31am
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It's all about the eyes
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Bellerock
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Feb 2 2013, 1:43am
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Thorin
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Ireth
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Feb 2 2013, 11:17am
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Being a fan of book Thorin before all this
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:25pm
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I wasn't looking forward to the Hobbit
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Esmeralda
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Feb 2 2013, 11:24pm
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I'm in total agreement with Peter Jackson
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GloryBox
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Feb 3 2013, 7:11am
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Just as Jackson's Boromir
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 3 2013, 8:31pm
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Yup, with ya all the way gramma
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Old Toby
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Feb 3 2013, 11:14pm
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Me, too!
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kiwifan
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Feb 4 2013, 7:10pm
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Nor do I think he would want to
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arithmancer
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Feb 4 2013, 7:39pm
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You're so right about Boromir and Thorin
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GloryBox
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Feb 3 2013, 11:45pm
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