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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:11am
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As much as I want to agree with you...
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...I think I'm just tired of the cliche. All the dwarves have quirks and idiosyncrasies, but the heir to the throne just happens to be the hot, noble, levelheaded, yadda, yadda, yadda. I may be bemoaning this too much, but with stories as famous as these PJ and team had the ability to change the perception of characters and archetypes in mainstream entertainment. The lack of age annoys me, because I think this generation NEEDS to see people of age do something worthwhile. Older people need to be seen as capable, full of wisdom, etc. I'm sorry to say but I think a young Thorin is just reinforcing negative stereotypes of older people. It's ageism. And I'm pretty tired of seeing it. I don't want the writer assuming I can't relate to an older character and that he needs to be the hot young quaterback of the Dwarven team for me to identify or care for his plight. I will admit that PJ has made both Thorin and Boromir much more sympathetic than in the books, but then again why does every character need to be sympathetic? The Hobbits are sympathetic enough. I quite like the idea of bucking conventional Hollywood exceptions, and Tolkien's stories are ripe for this. Although he wrote some archetypal roles he wrote complex character dynamics. In a company of 14, it's rare that you'd sympathize with each and every individual. (I used to be in the Army, and lord knows, although we were all 'on the same side' and on the same mission doesn't mean we all liked each other.) Anyway, as much as I hate to admit it, I think GdT was much braver in his casting decision and vision of Thorin. And I think this Thorin is too conventional and taking the easy, pop culture road. p.s. Yes I know Gandalf is old and awesome.
Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.
(This post was edited by hutch on Feb 1 2013, 2:12am)
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What did you think of the movie Thorin?
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bborchar
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Jan 31 2013, 6:57pm
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Surprise...I loved movie Thorin!
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arithmancer
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Jan 31 2013, 7:33pm
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Its true.
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Brethil
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Jan 31 2013, 8:21pm
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I think the key to movie-Thorin is his voice.
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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 7:37pm
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Mods up! And...
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Owain
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Jan 31 2013, 7:52pm
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Mmmmm...
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Roheryn
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Jan 31 2013, 8:51pm
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I had never considered those physical limitations
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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 9:01pm
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prosthetic effects as well
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mefansmum
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Feb 1 2013, 7:21am
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Simple to me...
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MasterOrc
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Jan 31 2013, 8:07pm
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A very pleasant suprise!
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Angharad73
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Jan 31 2013, 8:22pm
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I had no preconceived notions as to how he should be portrayed so:
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florian
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Jan 31 2013, 8:37pm
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Then why did Balin age so much?
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:54am
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In the movie Balin is portrayed as being older.
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florian
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Feb 1 2013, 2:50am
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I liked him actually
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jan 31 2013, 8:38pm
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Funny Thing
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 1 2013, 9:58pm
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I know what you mean
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Feb 1 2013, 10:02pm
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Was a bit different than what I imagined.
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Kimtc
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Jan 31 2013, 8:56pm
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Great acting, great writing, disappointingly short beard. //
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Macfeast
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Jan 31 2013, 9:04pm
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As for the age.
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Macfeast
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Jan 31 2013, 10:37pm
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Very well said!
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 12:49am
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I thought Armitage was excellent. For me, it was all in the design. //
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 1:59am
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I didnt sadly
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 3:48am
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But this younger Thorin has much more to lose...
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Roheryn
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Feb 1 2013, 1:07am
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Old Thorin could have lived out his last years in peace, but didn't. He went to reclaim the home of his people.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 2:00am
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I respectfully disagree.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:15am
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Frequently.
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Roheryn
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Jan 31 2013, 9:23pm
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He's more than eye candy?
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:57am
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Yes, he IS nice to look at
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ShireHorse
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Feb 1 2013, 2:16pm
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Davy Jones' role in the entertainment industry
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 4:59pm
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You seem to be implying
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:03pm
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spectacular!
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Old Toby
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Jan 31 2013, 10:30pm
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Yeah, that's what I *meant* to say!
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Roheryn
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Feb 1 2013, 12:57am
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As much as I want to agree with you...
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 2:11am
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Anyway, as much as I hate to admit it, I think GdT was much braver in his casting decision and vision of Thorin. And I think this Thorin is too conventional and taking the easy, pop culture road
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 3:42am
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practical and logical to go younger
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MistyMountain
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Feb 1 2013, 3:58am
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Lets be practical then
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Lusitano
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Feb 1 2013, 4:08am
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He does not wear a costume weighing over 40 pounds.. (20-30 kg).//
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 4:53am
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John Callen?
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 6:55am
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Theoden
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IdrilofGondolin
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Feb 1 2013, 10:09pm
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Good point
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Rostron2
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Feb 1 2013, 4:51pm
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We can have more than one elder statesman
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:20pm
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thorin the great.
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andwise
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Jan 31 2013, 10:33pm
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Thorin was this movie's Boromir, for me
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entmaiden
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Jan 31 2013, 10:52pm
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Based on the early PR shots, he didn't look hot.
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Kimtc
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Jan 31 2013, 11:05pm
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yeah in the earlier renditions
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Old Toby
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Jan 31 2013, 11:36pm
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That nails it.
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Elizabeth
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Feb 1 2013, 12:10am
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Love him as Thorin!
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Eowyn3
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Jan 31 2013, 11:42pm
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Spot on!//
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Rostron2
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Jan 31 2013, 11:48pm
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Guess I should answer my own questions...
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 12:12am
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Alas!
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 1:52am
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I was much more pleased with him than I initially expected after first seeing the younger look
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AinurOlorin
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Feb 1 2013, 1:58am
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Movie Thorin
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Gelir
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Feb 1 2013, 3:12am
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I think PJ did tweak Balin's age for the movie
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florian
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Feb 1 2013, 3:27am
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RE: Thorin
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Retro315
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Feb 1 2013, 4:52am
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I love movie Thorin!
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Súlimë
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Feb 1 2013, 6:56am
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good
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 7:31am
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This is a very interesting observation.
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Kimtc
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Feb 1 2013, 3:03pm
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Me to
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 3:08pm
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one of the things I love about these dwarves
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Old Toby
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Feb 1 2013, 3:41pm
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They are all short and stocky
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 3:47pm
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yes you're right
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Old Toby
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Feb 1 2013, 3:58pm
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Yeah i would agree with that
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 4:14pm
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atypical
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 4:49pm
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I think this is a good point...
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 4:59pm
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snow white
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 5:04pm
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I can't name all of snow whites 7 dwarves
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:12pm
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The other dwarves are unconventional
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:26pm
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I don't think they risked that much with the unconventional dwarven designs, really.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 5:59pm
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Very true.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:33pm
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agree but..
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glor
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Feb 1 2013, 10:56pm
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In all honesty
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:18pm
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Surprise! I didn't like movie-Thorin much after the first viewing.
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Alassëa Eruvande
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Feb 1 2013, 2:25pm
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I like him
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imin
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Feb 1 2013, 2:29pm
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I say they're setting him up as Isildur.
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 5:11pm
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Surprised to see you write that
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 6:31pm
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It felt superficial to me
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:26pm
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Just Bilbo? (***Book Spoilers***)
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arithmancer
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Feb 2 2013, 3:04am
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So the relationship in the book makes no sense?
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hutch
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Feb 2 2013, 5:10am
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Not exactly
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arithmancer
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Feb 4 2013, 3:57pm
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Thorin (book and movie) - jerk?
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arithmancer
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Feb 1 2013, 5:55pm
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I think you're spot on with the Boromir-comparison, with added scenes and the like.
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Macfeast
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Feb 1 2013, 6:49pm
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Gold was the dwarves' selfish folly
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:31pm
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I wouldnt count out the gold lust
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moreorless
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Feb 2 2013, 6:35am
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What I meant was
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hutch
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Feb 2 2013, 6:59am
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Not sure I really see that...
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moreorless
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Feb 2 2013, 8:16am
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Better than the book
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CathrineB
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Feb 2 2013, 9:23am
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Wonder how can this be possible
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:40pm
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Not alone :)
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Gelir
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Feb 1 2013, 10:13pm
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It´s sadder because he had flaws
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:46pm
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I felt completely differently...
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bborchar
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Feb 2 2013, 8:34pm
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I liked him better
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Elessar
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Feb 1 2013, 2:39pm
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on thorin
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cartermoulton
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Feb 1 2013, 4:53pm
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Better than the book
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lindorian
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Feb 1 2013, 5:13pm
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better than the book?
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jimmyfenn
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Feb 1 2013, 5:17pm
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Better than the book?
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nycwine
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Feb 1 2013, 5:38pm
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Book Thorin was much more complex and realistic
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 9:38pm
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How is book-Thorin complex?
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bborchar
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Feb 1 2013, 10:15pm
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ok fair enough
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hutch
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Feb 1 2013, 11:23pm
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Thanks for the no spoiler alert
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sphdle1
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Feb 2 2013, 4:31am
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It's all about the eyes
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Bellerock
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Feb 2 2013, 1:43am
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Thorin
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Ireth
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Feb 2 2013, 11:17am
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Being a fan of book Thorin before all this
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Marionette
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Feb 2 2013, 7:25pm
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I wasn't looking forward to the Hobbit
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Esmeralda
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Feb 2 2013, 11:24pm
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I'm in total agreement with Peter Jackson
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GloryBox
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Feb 3 2013, 7:11am
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Just as Jackson's Boromir
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 3 2013, 8:31pm
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Yup, with ya all the way gramma
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Old Toby
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Feb 3 2013, 11:14pm
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Me, too!
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kiwifan
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Feb 4 2013, 7:10pm
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Nor do I think he would want to
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arithmancer
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Feb 4 2013, 7:39pm
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You're so right about Boromir and Thorin
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GloryBox
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Feb 3 2013, 11:45pm
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